1001 reasons NEVER to vote Labour

[BoredBloke]

I really couldn't give a toss what you think that says about me. However in the season I started supporting Man U they were relegated.

[BoredBloke]

"So why the constant bleating about IT offshoring on these boards?

Oh yes, it doesn't suit YOU"

But still no example of how to turn an economy around in a pain free way

[DimPrawn]

It's terrible that Ben Elton has fallen on such hard times and has to resort to posting here until his invalidity benefits cheque arrives next week.

[hyperD]

"Tebbit's 'on yer bike' comments pretty much summed up the couldn't give a toss attitude at the time, and you wonder why people no longer trust the tories"

I thought he was talking about people moving to areas where there was work.

Indeed he was, but it is an often used anti-Tory propaganda comment:

"In the aftermath of urban riots (Handsworth riots and Brixton riot) in the summer of 1981, Tebbit responded to a suggestion that the rioting was caused by unemployment by saying:

"I grew up in the 1930s with an unemployed father. He did not riot. He got on his bike and looked for work, and he went on looking until he found it. "

This exchange was the origin of the attribution to Tebbit of the slogan On yer bike!"

Again, all these polemic anti-Thatcherite "myths" are primarily down to attitude.

Are you going to bleat on and on blaming everyone apart from yourself for not having a job, or saying that this or that wasn't the right way to run a country, or are you going to be a man and do something about it? Like voting as a quick example.

This continual whinging about who's to blame for unemployment, the continual whinging about "my right to have a job", this continually whinging about "well I can't take this job because it's not suitable for me" or "I was on more in my last job" is a sickening cancer in this society.

It is this self-motived attitude that is missing. The sort of attitude that enables a "proud" working class man to get up and shake off his excuses and make something of his life. Like my working class father, surrounded by working class labour voters complaining about how this should be run, how this wasn't fair.

He worked his proverbials off to escape the estate, educated himself - not by asking the government for a grant but by getting a low paid job during the day and then studying during the evening.

He retired a few years ago as the MD of his own large printing business.

And don't you ever mention liebour's supertax to him...

[John Galt]

I said that there are other ways of stimulating growth in the economy


How?

[DimPrawn]

My father, despite his Etonian education, and having to live in a large stately home with nothing but his vast inherited wealth, managed, against all the odds, to be a successful and rich businessman.

Which was nice.

[DodgyAgent]

[QUOTE=benn0]

Ahh so the extension of VAT and the poll tax extended the 1980's recession. That is a good one.

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The redistribution of weatlh from the working classes (who spend everything they earn because they have to) - to the rich was what extended the 80's recession.

You obviously never experienced the sense of despair prevalent throughout working class Britain in the 80s. There were ways to drag the country out of recession without penalising the poor. It's just that thatcher never chose to use those options because it didn't suit her and her cronies. She is now a very rich woman - I wonder why?

The irony of the situation is that you lot on here constantly whinge about the state of modern day Britain yet 1. You're still here, and 2. you're pretty well off.

There's no lowest common denominator about it - The electorate vote in the government and your beloved tories are obviously not up to the job at the moment.

I don't think they pay much tax in Saudi - Maybe you could all go and live there?

Let us get one thing straight, I am NOT a Tory, but I am a huge fan of Thatcher. What Thatcher did was dole out the nasty medicine to cure the disease spread by the socialists. Let me remind you of what that disease was:

Our Society was spending vast amounts of its wealth, supporting inefficient nationalised industries that happened to control (badly) the vital infrastructure that Britain neede to keep itself warm, to transport itself and to communicate. In other words you and I were paying coal miners and the rest to enjoy a living that they neither deserved nor earned.

Now it doesnt take much of a brain to work out that businesses could not start or compete when faced with the huge costs of these basic services.

On top of that the working classes were trapped in a vicious spiral of state dependency on everything, from the houses they lived in to the education they receive to the jobs that they worked in. This was a spiral that until Thatcher came along your beloved working class (who you see as nothing more than a group of people upon who you can pin your left wing guilt upon) could not escape from. Thanks however to her giving people the right to buy council houses (blunted and obstructed by socialist councils), grammar schools and privatisation many of these people were freed from state control.

Now I know that you sneering liberals would much rather have these Oiks working in car plants churning out parts for Austin Maxis even though there are none left on the roads. After all you wouldnt want them sending their kids to your middle class schools or having coal miners learning to write .net programs would you?

Now as the country was about to go bust (thankfully it didnt because of the IMF and Thatcher) you tell all of us here just what alternative you had in mind.
Please explain.

[NoddY]

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He worked his proverbials off to escape the estate, educated himself - not by asking the government for a grant but by getting a low paid job during the day and then studying during the evening.

He retired a few years ago as the MD of his own large printing business.

And don't you ever mention liebour's supertax to him...

While I agree with you on the fatalist attitude held by many of the 'repressed', I hope you will also realise that the rightful place of education as a gatekeeper to 'betterment' is in the process of being undermined viz. grade inflation, massive expansion of higher education, pseudo-qualifications, elitism based on ability undermined etc.

[DodgyAgent]

While I agree with you on the fatalist attitude held by many of the 'repressed', I hope you will also realise that the rightful place of education as a gatekeeper to 'betterment' is in the process of being undermined viz. grade inflation, massive expansion of higher education, pseudo-qualifications, elitism based on ability undermined etc.

It is all part of a grand strategy to disguise the the incompetence of govt institutions

[hyperD]

While I agree with you on the fatalist attitude held by many of the 'repressed', I hope you will also realise that the rightful place of education as a gatekeeper to 'betterment' is in the process of being undermined viz. grade inflation, massive expansion of higher education, pseudo-qualifications, elitism based on ability undermined etc.

Noddy, couldn't agree with you more... I do understand that, which is why so many of us are up in arms about this malaise that is spreading through this country.

Forget about Thatcher vs Miners, there are more worrying factors occuring under bliar and his minions that are undermining everything in education and attitude this country was once good for.

My father sacrificed alot to make his life for what it is now. There are potentially more opportunities available nowadays but it is this crass attitude of people that are the bottlenecks - they want everything now without having to work hard for it - the value of graft is lost.

My father says we have it too easy now. I'm beginning to agree with him...