What are Tories not doing right?

[centurian]

I have no faith that Daves mob will be appreciably better than Gordon and his cronies, they're all as corrupt and useless as each other.

And I think that's the rub.

But even though DC might not be much better, he hasn't done much wrong yet, whereas we know that GB has made some huge mistakes and he (and New Labour) deserve to be punished for that.

Even if we knew for certain that things would be no better under the Tories (and there's a reasonable argument for that assumption), Labour still deserve to be booted out.

To return them to power after they have been so dishonest of late, just encourages them to keep doing it.

But the voters just don't seem to want to do that...

[AtW]

That's a bright idea!!! The last time a Monarch forcibly disolved a Westminster parliament there was a civil war culminating in the execution of the Monarch.

Maybe this times the Monarch would have better chances?

The key pre-requisites for success are:

1) support of the people for this action
2) support of the other large party that has support of the people
3) doing the right thing for the country

Implementation can be entrusted to units pulled out from Iraq and Afganistan.

HTH

[TykeMerc]

And I think that's the rub.

But even though DC might not be much better, he hasn't done much wrong yet, whereas we know that GB has made some huge mistakes and he (and New Labour) deserve to be punished for that.

Even if we knew for certain that things would be no better under the Tories (and there's a reasonable argument for that assumption), Labour still deserve to be booted out.

To return them to power after they have been so dishonest of late, just encourages them to keep doing it.

But the voters just don't seem to want to do that...

I remember the last time the Tories were in power and pretty much the same sort of things were being said then.

Just watch some of the Spitting Image and Drop the Dead Donkey episodes, it would be very simple to update the names with some of Gordons clowns and not spot the difference.

[Sysman]

So I thought I'd ask the CUK political engineering congregation a serious question - what do you think Dave and his Tories should do now to improve their chances of a majority?

The Tories could have started a long time ago by providing a decent opposition. Over the years they have missed far too many opportunities when they could have firmly put the boot in, but didn't.

[HairyArsedBloke]

The Tories could have started a long time ago by providing a decent opposition. Over the years they have missed far too many opportunities when they could have firmly put the boot in, but didn't.

Very true. In many respects the Conservatives betrayal of the British is worse than that of nuLieBore because they have done NOTHING to hold them to account for the crimes nuLieBore have committed.

I can see no reason why the Conservatives deserve a vote.

[centurian]

I remember the last time the Tories were in power and pretty much the same sort of things were being said then.

Just watch some of the Spitting Image and Drop the Dead Donkey episodes, it would be very simple to update the names with some of Gordons clowns and not spot the difference.

But they were kicked out over their mistakes in the 92 recession (which was nowhere near as bad as this one) and the scandals of the mid 90's. And I think it was quite right they were punished for those mistakes, even though they had actually turned things around the economy was doing pretty well in 97 - we had a budget surplass

So given that things are twice as bad now and we are still in recession (which might technically change shortly - although the perception still won't change), why are things still close.

[Doggy Styles]

Dave does have these three problems:

• It's difficult to detail spending policies when, every week or two, the available money seems to shrink with new revelations about the UK finances.
• It's difficult to detail decent policies about anything when you know that your opponents will nick them.
• It's difficult to go too hard on Gordon Brown when you want to keep him in place as one of your biggest assets.

[AtW]

The Tories could have started a long time ago by providing a decent opposition. Over the years they have missed far too many opportunities when they could have firmly put the boot in, but didn't.

That's because Labour did a lot of stuff Tories would also do. Apart from raising taxes - but it's a bit difficult to argue about cutting taxes with such a huge debt and budget deficit now.

What Tories want is Brown to lead Labour into General Election - any other Labour leader can gain more votes and then prospect of hung Parliament becomes realistic.

[Sysman]

That's because Labour did a lot of stuff Tories would also do.

No I don't agree with that. It is the Opposition's job to keep the Govt on their toes, surely? Check and balances and all that.

[AtW]

It is the Opposition's job to keep the Govt on their toes, surely?

I don't believe that Tories (if they were riding the asset bubble) would have done much more differently - just like Nu Liebor they'd choose the path that would enable them to stay in power for as long as possible.

The only possible different thing they'd do would have been smaller spending on public sector and thus possibly smaller taxes.

However tulip of PFIs would have certainly happened under Tories, probably on a bigger scale as it fits them better.