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New students 'face £23,000 debt'

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    #11
    Originally posted by Cyberman View Post
    ... but that 'free' Scottish education is paid for out of our UK taxes.
    ... and that 'paid for' English education is funding lower UK taxes.
    My all-time favourite Dilbert cartoon, this is: BTW, a Dumpster is a brand of skip, I think.

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      #12
      Originally posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
      We get into this one every time.
      So what do the Scots not provide if they are spending all that money on education and prescriptions etc?

      I would like someone to give a solid explanation of how the Scots manage what they do.
      No problem.

      They get a budget.
      They allocate it.
      They spend it.

      http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/ has more details. You probably want a simple "Scotland spends xxx less than England on yyy", but it's not that simple. No particular saving is used to pay the student costs, it is a national budget as a whole.

      If you want one example, I could mention that the Scottish government's budget pays less to Scottish local councils than the UK government pays to English local councils. Doubtless the English feel that this is a better way of spending their money, than the way the Scots spend their money?

      If on the other hand what you are looking for is: "Scotland just spends whatever it likes and we the long-suffering English taxpayers pay for it" then I can give you a simple answer to that one: False.

      (sigh). We do get into this one every time. I should just leave it.

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        #13
        Just read up on the Barnett formula which gives each Scot an extra 1,000 pounds a year subsidy !!

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          #14
          Originally posted by Cyberman View Post
          Just read up on the Barnett formula which gives each Scot an extra 1,000 pounds a year subsidy !!

          London gets by far the highest amount

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            #15
            Originally posted by minestrone View Post
            London gets by far the highest amount

            London actually subsidises the rest of the UK because salaries are higher and thus tax revenues are higher per head, so you're talking bollards.

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              #16
              Originally posted by expat View Post
              No problem.

              They get a budget.
              They allocate it.
              They spend it.

              http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/ has more details. You probably want a simple "Scotland spends xxx less than England on yyy", but it's not that simple. No particular saving is used to pay the student costs, it is a national budget as a whole.

              If you want one example, I could mention that the Scottish government's budget pays less to Scottish local councils than the UK government pays to English local councils. Doubtless the English feel that this is a better way of spending their money, than the way the Scots spend their money?

              If on the other hand what you are looking for is: "Scotland just spends whatever it likes and we the long-suffering English taxpayers pay for it" then I can give you a simple answer to that one: False.

              (sigh). We do get into this one every time. I should just leave it.
              Not looking for an us and them answer, just a sensible answer. Yours go some way to explaining it.
              I do not begrudge the Scots their free education, I am more interested into why we can not do the same in England.
              There must be some sort of reduction in service elsewhere in Scotland though to pay for it. Either that or the English are paying over the odds for non required services.
              I am not qualified to give the above advice!

              The original point and click interface by
              Smith and Wesson.

              Step back, have a think and adjust my own own attitude from time to time

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                #17
                Originally posted by Cyberman View Post
                London actually subsidises the rest of the UK because salaries are higher and thus tax revenues are higher per head, so you're talking bollards.
                So becasue London makes more money they get more money. You know what I am going to say next?

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by Cyberman View Post
                  Just read up on the Barnett formula which gives each Scot an extra 1,000 pounds a year subsidy !!
                  Originally posted by Cyberman View Post
                  London actually subsidises the rest of the UK because salaries are higher and thus tax revenues are higher per head, so you're talking bollards.
                  Are you ever going to quote your sources for this tosh you keep rolling out?

                  You've been shown you are wrong countless times. Are you so senile you've forgotten?
                  ‎"See, you think I give a tulip. Wrong. In fact, while you talk, I'm thinking; How can I give less of a tulip? That's why I look interested."

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by minestrone View Post
                    So becasue London makes more money they get more money. You know what I am going to say next?

                    .. but then costs of living are higher so we are no better off.

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by Cyberman View Post
                      London actually subsidises the rest of the UK because salaries are higher and thus tax revenues are higher per head, so you're talking bollards.
                      Oh rubbish: most of London's salaries come from wealth generated in the rest of Great Britain. It's just administered in London, but it's meaningless to say that London subsidises the rest of the UK: without this rest of the UK, there wouldn't be much in London. Britain's wealth subsidises London.

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