90 days

[ALM]

Isn't the greatest civil liberty – the liberty to live!!! In normal circumstances 90 days will be unacceptable however in the context of suicide bombers, who cannot be prosecuted if successful, and then the onus shifts to prevention. If the professionals are saying they would need 90 days to break encrypted computers, unravel international terrorist links etc then what right to the hand wringers have to oppose this. It is the duty of the police to protect us and we should let them get on with it.

What’s wrong with a judge deciding if there is sufficient suspicion to warrant holding someone for 90 days?

[WageSlave]

However whether you like to admit it or not England does not have much of a history of police abusing their powers on a wide scale (much like Eastern Germany kind of thing).

Yes, exactly! England doesn't have a HISTORY of such things, which is something we can all be proud of. England was a true example of reason and liberty during the Enlightenment. Blair is trying his best to change that history and build a new reality.

[Lucifer Box]

Isn't the greatest civil liberty – the liberty to live!!! In normal circumstances 90 days will be unacceptable however in the context of suicide bombers, who cannot be prosecuted if successful, and then the onus shifts to prevention. If the professionals are saying they would need 90 days to break encrypted computers, unravel international terrorist links etc then what right to the hand wringers have to oppose this. It is the duty of the police to protect us and we should let them get on with it.

Out of interest, how many suspected terrorists have the police had to release without charge because they could not hold them for 90 days, and have subsequently gone on to commit suicide attacks in the UK?

[Mordac]

Today, 90 days for being suspected of having links to terrorism.
Tomorrow, 90 days for not carrying your shiny new £500 ID Card?
90 days for protesting about ------- (insert Bliar policy you disagree with here)
90 days for not shouting "I love Bliar" when the Thought Police come knocking.

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[datestamp]

England does not have much of a history of police abusing their powers on a wide scale

What, you mean asking pensioners to step away from a street, that might be near to a hotel, that is in the same city that NL are having a meeting, because they don't like his T shirt. That sort of abuse? Well yes, they seem to have got the hang of that one, and they used anti-terrorist powers to do it.


Meanwhile, with people being locked up for 90 days, there is nothing to stop and detain them again a few weeks later and lock them up for another 90 days. Repeat ad infinitum. Because no charges were ever brought, and they were never told why they were detained, the police can repeat this for ever, claiming "but it is different this time". So Chico, how do you fancy being detained for the next 50 years, and to be let out now and then, when they feel like it. In fact, they could hold you for 90 days on the Isle of Wight, then release you for a few days on a remote Scottish island. Then as soon as you'd found your way to freedom, and the mainland via a fishing boat, they could re-detain you back on the Isle of Wight.

Actually, that sounds like a good idea.

[AlfredJPruffock]

Given the IRA inflicted far greater damage than any suicide bomber why,was the 90 days regulation not necessary then ?

The British people have little time to save themseves from the tyranny of a Socialist Police State,this is an extraordinarly important matter.

This is not about protecting anybody,it is about complete State Control and that is the path ultimately to the concentration camp.

When Tony puts you in the prison I did warn you
When they beat you senseless I did warn you
When Gordon Taxes you into debt I did warn you

Look Out Look Out ....
But its too late now ....I did warn you

[threaded]

Forget Magna Carta, actually it was the longbow

The liberties we had in England were due to the fact that most people were encouraged to own and practice regularly with a longbow. Europeans never had anything like the liberties of the English until the cross bow and then gun powder. The reason was that the English nobility were fed up of being invaded so needed to have lots of men ready at a moments notice to use a weapon. Whereas the continental nobility were more bothered about the great unwashed taking them out if they were awful to them.

HTH

[Chico]

The point that is also being missed is that there will be some judicial oversight. It is not carte blanche for the police to look people up willy nilly.

[datestamp]

AJP - have a look at http://www.blairwatch.co.uk

Not necessary a balanced view, but lots of fun !

[BobTheCrate]

Our Police are 2nd to none in the world Chico.

But they did not achieve that standing by having a Government grant everything on its wish list.

Problem for me and I suspect many, many others, is I simply do not trust this Government in such matters and I do not trust one of its crony's, the Police Commissioner Sir Ian Blair.

Both have done little but perpetuate a deceitful attitude against the general public.