Modern medicine

[TimberWolf]

Actually no I won't, because unlike a twisted nutter like you I don't wander around thinking that doctors have a "cushy number" and are "in it to profit off the sick and vulnerable". Frankly having seen what they have to go through and the people they have to put up with, they are worth every penny they get.

I wonder why you think doctors have such a high suicide rate? In your strange little world it must be the stress of having to spend all that easy money, right?

I find you offensive in the extreme, and the phrase "what goes around comes around" kinda pops in there. At some point in your life I suspect your attitude will change. Suddenly and dramatically.

What a nasty post. Do you really think paying doctors more would reduce their suicide rate?

[minestrone]

No I said that wouldn't work in isolation. Bringing their pay down to around 40K / year would be fair for a job that's safe for life IMO. Currently their pay is verging on the obscene when patients are increasingly struggling to find work, or work that is minimum wage. Their pay has got out of wack with the rest of society and needs adjusting downwards. Either that or the UK introduces inflation to bring silly public wage down to more realistic levels, and that's what I suspect will happen.

Nearly all your arguments sound like an argument for communism.

The average top flight footballer in England probably gets paid 20 grand p/w, Scotland 5 grand p/w, Ireland 500 quid p/w. When I go to the doctor sometime in my life I want a Manchester United standard Doctor, not a Sligo Rover standard one.

You repeatedly make the claim that Doctors are making money from people's pain, having lived with one for 7 years I see how much it destroys her when she knows that she has to go into work the next day and tell parents that their baby will not live for more than a year. Could you do that and just walk away at night and go for a few pints down the local? I also see the joy when she diagnoses an illness that was life threatening until she turned their life around with the right call. You seem to be making these judgments from watching too much House on sky 1.

Medicine is the hardest degree to get into, unlike your average degree it takes a shed load of hard work to even get to the Uni interview and perfect scores at school are no guarantee to getting in to 5 years of uni and 3 years of crappy hospital work to get to the decent pay. If you think that everyone will still do that for 40 grand a year then you are deeply wrong.

I agree with PM-Junkie, there is an obvious personal reason why you are going on about this.

Why don't you pick on fag company shareholders or drug dealers, not doctors who give much of their lives in a very tough job serving the public.

[PM-Junkie]

What a nasty post. Do you really think paying doctors more would reduce their suicide rate?

The dork who says "doctors are in it to profit from the sick and vulnerable" criticises someone ELSE for a nasty post???

I am not the one who is obsessed with what doctors get paid, you are. You clearly have issues that need to be dealt with....but that would involve seeing a doctor and well, since you clearly hate them so much you'll just have to live with your sad little complex won't you?

[TimberWolf]

Nearly all your arguments sound like an argument for communism.

The average top flight footballer in England probably gets paid 20 grand p/w, Scotland 5 grand p/w, Ireland 500 quid p/w. When I go to the doctor sometime in my life I want a Manchester United standard Doctor, not a Sligo Rover standard one.

You repeatedly make the claim that Doctors are making money from people's pain, having lived with one for 7 years I see how much it destroys her when she knows that she has to go into work the next day and tell parents that their baby will not live for more than a year. Could you do that and just walk away at night and go for a few pints down the local? I also see the joy when she diagnoses an illness that was life threatening until she turned their life around with the right call. You seem to be making these judgments from watching too much House on sky 1.

Medicine is the hardest degree to get into, unlike your average degree it takes a shed load of hard work to even get to the Uni interview and perfect scores at school are no guarantee to getting in to 5 years of uni and 3 years of crappy hospital work to get to the decent pay. If you think that everyone will still do that for 40 grand a year then you are deeply wrong.

I agree with PM-Junkie, there is an obvious personal reason why you are going on about this.

Why don't you pick on fag company shareholders or drug dealers, not doctors who give much of their lives in a very tough job serving the public.

Nurses, paramedics and the police have to handle that kind of thing too. As for whether they would do it for 40K/year, it would be interesting to know what they have done it for historically, in real terms.

[TimberWolf]

The dork who says "doctors are in it to profit from the sick and vulnerable" criticises someone ELSE for a nasty post???

I never said that.

[minestrone]

Nurses, paramedics and the police have to handle that kind of thing too. As for whether they would do it for 40K/year, it would be interesting to know what they have done it for historically, in real terms.

So do you not think that all the doctors would just become nurses then? I mean what is the advantage to being a doctor when all you get is tulip all day? No risk of being taken to court, just do injections, dressings etc.

If they made all contract architects on the same rate as 2 line support I think I would just do second line support. Easier job, no need to continually train up, no team to lead.

Your arguments are just madness.

EDIT: and what do nurses have to handle as well as doctors? Do nurses have to tell terminal patients that they are going to die? You obviously have little understanding of what it means to be a doctor.

[TimberWolf]

So do you not think that all the doctors would just become nurses then? I mean what is the advantage to being a doctor when all you get is tulip all day? No risk of being taken to court, just do injections, dressings etc.

If they made all contract architects on the same rate as 2 line support I think I would just do second line support. Easier job, no need to continually train up, no team to lead.

Your arguments are just madness.

Why not answer the question with some figures to back up your argument quantitatively instead of emotionally?

[minestrone]

Why not answer the question with some figures to back up your argument quantitatively instead of emotionally?

Well if you tell me how much below 100 your IQ is then we could start with that.

[ASB]

You repeatedly make the claim that Doctors are making money from people's pain, having lived with one for 7 years I see how much it destroys her when she knows that she has to go into work the next day and tell parents that their baby will not live for more than a year. Could you do that and just walk away at night and go for a few pints down the local? I also see the joy when she diagnoses an illness that was life threatening until she turned their life around with the right call.

It sure as hell can't be easy. But unfortunately it does go with the job.

I don't know how much the average GP or consultant makes, but a lot of folk in the medical profession are certainly not well paid. I know my neurologist charges 150 for my regular consult, my opthalmic surgeon a little less; both world class specialists in thier respective fields. But, this of course isn't their "wages". There is obviously a substantial difference between fees and income - though neither of them are exactly hard up of course.

Certainly the diagnosis and treatment of my chronic neurological disease - whilst not life threatning - has made a huge difference to me. A lot of their work is helping diagnostic techniques going forward. Certainly I think the current GP contract might possibly be excessively rewarding, but if the medical profession isn't reasonably well remunerated we are sure as hell going to end up in a bigger mess. Whether society can actually afford either outcome is a different question altogether.

[PM-Junkie]

I never said that.

My word, you really do have problems don't you? Short term memory loss too?

Allow me to assist...

A quote direct from your post #35 if you are struggling to find it: "The problem I have with doctors is that get rich off the sick and vulnerable"

and from post #7: Being a doctor is probably a cushier number than being a bus driver

I understand you wanting to deny it though, certainly the first comment. Makes you look a really bitter and twisted, doesn't it?