AF447 broke up mid-air

[Menelaus]

[QUOTE=Zippy;872636]

The fact is that no-one knows how fast it was going - or at least not anyone now with us sadly. We'll know more if they get the DFDR back.
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What will Airbus do if the flight recorders don't turn up? There's a hell of a lot of money on this ....

WSS+1*1.5^100000

[Peoplesoft bloke]

[QUOTE=Zippy;872636]

The fact is that no-one knows how fast it was going - or at least not anyone now with us sadly. We'll know more if they get the DFDR back.
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What will Airbus do if the flight recorders don't turn up? There's a hell of a lot of money on this ....

Not really - they will most likely have insurance for at least a part of it. They will share costs with the Airline and without the boxes it is arguably harder to prove Airbus have any case to answer - although it will be plenty of time=cash for the lawyers.

[Menelaus]

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Not really - they will most likely have insurance for at least a part of it. They will share costs with the Airline and without the boxes it is arguably harder to prove Airbus have any case to answer - although it will be plenty of time=cash for the lawyers.

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[Zippy]

Not really - they will most likely have insurance for at least a part of it. They will share costs with the Airline and without the boxes it is arguably harder to prove Airbus have any case to answer - although it will be plenty of time=cash for the lawyers.

Hmm I was thinking more about future sales of the Airbus. Lack of data would lesd to inaccurate speculation shirley.

Oh - hang on .........

[Peoplesoft bloke]

Hmm I was thinking more about future sales of the Airbus. Lack of data would lesd to inaccurate speculation shirley.

Oh - hang on .........

Airlines are generally more interested in costs - read the DC10 story - and in particular the Crash of American Airlines flight 191 -

. It was revealed to be damaged before the crash, and investigators looked at the plane's maintenance history and found it was serviced eight weeks before the crash. The pylon was damaged due to an ill-thought-out engine removal procedure. The original procedure called for removal of the engine prior to the removal of the engine pylon. To save time and costs, American Airlines, without the approval of McDonnell Douglas, had begun to use a faster procedure. They instructed their mechanics to remove the engine with the pylon all together as one unit. A large forklift was used to support the engine while it was being detached from the wing. This procedure was extremely difficult to execute successfully, due to difficulties with holding the engine assembly straight while it was being removed.

BTW - before someone starts I know Wikipedia isn't the fount of all knowledge, but it's not far off what is available from the NTSB and books on this one.

[Cyberman]

With your customary attention to detail.

The fact is that no-one knows how fast it was going - or at least not anyone now with us sadly. We'll know more if they get the DFDR back.

Quite frankly you have no idea what speed (high or low) would cause a break up or what the weather was like do you?

.. but it is fact that at a certain speed over the limit the aircraft will break up and thus the pitot tubes are vital for the auto pilot. Many articles that I have read have proposed this as the main likelihood. As I said, time will tell.

[Peoplesoft bloke]

.. but it is fact that at a certain speed over the limit the aircraft will break up and thus the pitot tubes are vital for the auto pilot. Many articles that I have read have proposed this as the main likelihood. As I said, time will tell.

How fast would it have had to be going then (based on your "many articles" research) to guarantee breaking up?

[Cyberman]

How fast would it have had to be going then (based on your "many articles" research) to guarantee breaking up?

I read that these aircraft can reach the speed of sound and anything near that would cause catastrophe in those weather conditions. It's similar to having an out of control Labour HMG for 12 years. Catastrophic !!

[Peoplesoft bloke]

I read that these aircraft can reach the speed of sound and anything near that would cause catastrophe in those weather conditions. <snip usual political bollocks not relevant here>

How near?

What's the recommended speed for "those weather conditions"
- go on - you don't know, do you?

[Cyberman]

How near?

What's the recommended speed for "those weather conditions"
- go on - you don't know, do you?