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    #21
    Originally posted by BrowneIssue View Post
    Learn what an apostrophe is and when to use it. It will make your written work more credible and professional.

    "tester"

    "a tiny web site company that does not actually sell anything but at least it's a good name on the CV"

    Don't big up your employer, big up yourself. That's free sales advice there.
    "A contractor at the next desk winds me up perpetually with fiction regarding their rate, just to upset me, and I choose to believe them"

    in your opinion, although your colleague is offering additional benefits to the employer, such as the ability to clear off with no compensation at short notice, no HR overheads, etc.

    money is always appealing

    Go to the PCG web site and give them an email address so you can download their Guide to Contracting. It will answer all your questions. If, however, you cannot find it without being given the link, you are not ready to go contracting.

    Downsizing at my permie job and I took a contract to pay the bills. I have never again been shortlisted for a permie role (once a contractor, always a dodgy untrustworthy rogue) so have had to carry on contracting ever since.

    Not in reality, no. Some people in a more senior position can get flexible working, but if you don't put in the effort, you're out. For tester roles, you do a day's work every day.

    Absolutely. London, or on the bench, usually.

    If you are good at selling, yes. But the agents are very, very good at it. And if you go higher than their second choice, the second choice gets the gig.

    Do you want to be PAYE for the agency, ltd company or some other route?

    No. No.

    That is up to you.

    Heartache. Government lies. A furkin' great tax bill when it came in.

    Don't then. Next?

    Don't then. Next?

    Not from me, you won't. In my 13 years contracting, I have recently spent nine months on the bench and in the last downturn sent nearly two years on the bench. We are entering a downturn. Contractors are disposed of before permies. There ain't any reassurance to be had.

    Unless...

    If you know in your heart of hearts that you are good, damned good
    and
    you are willing to relocate or travel long distances or live away from home
    and
    you are willing to give up the benefits of permiedom (legal protection, a personnel officer, line management support, teamwork, sick pay, training, holiday pay, ...)
    and
    you have six months income sitting in the bank
    and
    you can work day after day on a client site never saying a bad word about the organisation, management, the work or your colleagues to anyone
    and
    won't get upset when you find the contractor next to you gets 1.5 times what you get
    and
    won't get upset when the client says "the project is cancelled; clear your desk"
    and
    feel you can negotiate with slimy recruitment agents for some jam on your bread and butter
    and
    fancy learning about indemnity insurance, PAYE, corporation tax, company secretary legal obligations, directorships and all the rest of the administrative overhead

    then you might be ready for contracting.

    Then you already know what route to go if contracting is what you want to do. Which it isn't. You just want more money.



    I'll give you a clue. They are web sites. They are on the web. There are special, magical ways of finding web sites on the web. Can you guess what one might be?

    If not, you're not ready to work for yourself.

    use the online salary checking sites (you find them) to see what the salary range is for your kind of work given your skill set and qualifications (you do have the ISEB testing certificates, of course). Decide what your skill level is. Work out what you think you are worth. Tell your employer your findings. See what they say. You may get a rise. If not, offer to do overtime.

    Try applying for contract roles and see if you get interviews. That will tell you if you are in demand.

    Then go to the interviews. See if you get offered roles. If so, see what rates they offer. That will tell you what you are worth.

    You do not need to accept these offers. But if you start getting them, then look seriously into contracting.

    If, however, you don't get any offers or interviews, you will have saved yourself a lot of unnecessary work and research.

    Or you might get a brilliant offer... you won't know until you try for yourself...
    WOW

    what a way to shoot a guy down. but thankyou for your tough love regime.

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      #22
      Originally posted by DiscoStu View Post
      Oh, and welcome back BI
      Drivelling in TPD is not a mental health issue. We're just community blogging, that's all.

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        #23
        Sound advice from BI - at leasr someone answered the original question.

        Just call me Matron - Too many handbags

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          #24
          Well, i really should of done my homework eh. thanks for mocking me people

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            #25
            Originally posted by mrdonuts View Post
            sure its not because your colleague can spell and you can't

            it's
            Cats are evil.

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              #26
              Originally posted by DiscoStu View Post
              ^^^ What he said.

              Oh, and welcome back BI
              WHS - I've missed reading posts like that one, BI
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                #27
                It's A General Lurve-in!

                Originally posted by zara_backdog View Post
                Sound advice from BI - at leasr someone answered the original question.



                Originally posted by TheFaQQer View Post
                WHS - I've missed reading posts like that one, BI



                Oooh, it's like a little bit of TPD in a desert.
                Drivelling in TPD is not a mental health issue. We're just community blogging, that's all.

                Xenophon said: "CUK Geek of the Week". A gingerjedi certified "Elitist Tw@t". Posting rated @ 5 lard points

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by BrowneIssue View Post
                  blah blah blah
                  Excellent response BrowneIssue!!

                  It may sound harsh to the OP what was written, but that is the truth and the reality. I've worked in places too where permies 'hate' contractors because all they see is the pound notes going into their pockets... It's not like arriving on a boat in New York City believing the streets are paved with gold. The best advice he has given is to go and try some interviews/applications for your current area and see if you get offered real contracts on good money, only then will you have something to consider.

                  It's a far more risky way to live, but if you have some money behind you and can afford to take a bit of a risk then try it. I went to Uni for a year to do a Masters and when I came out I took on a 12 month contract just to get back in the job market. It was always my intention that it would just be a stepping stone back into real employment, but that was nearly 3 years ago now and I'm still contracting. With 3 years of it under my belt, and a good understanding of how it all works now I can safely say a perm job will be the last option I will consider.. but in all honesty I fell into contracting by accident.

                  Also there _are_ jobs outside London, but London is where the majority of the big/better ones are.. try a search on jobserve.com and filter by contract, rather than perm jobs.. this will give you an idea of what's going on. Oh and as already said, the market is swamped right now with fewer jobs and more applicants. The last agent I spoke to last week for a role had over 100+ applicants for it! That's what you're up against perhaps, and if there are guys with certificates _AND_ several years contracting at a variety of different clients, etc then you've got some serious competition.
                  The cycle of life: born > learn > work > learn > dead.

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by Liability View Post
                    Whilst the others have said the obvious -

                    A lot of how successful you can/will be in this climate relates to your skills. EG I dont know of a single good SAP guy out of work right now, nor do I know of any good Data Warehousing guys out of work.

                    If you have a niche skill or experience that is in demand - you will do well regardless.

                    So before you even jump ship - Id check out the market for YOUR skill set.

                    QA Analyst - Are there many about in your field? Is it in demand? Is is niche? Or can any QA spiv do the job?

                    I had a call from an agency last week about skills that I have not used for 12 years, but had used for 14 years before that, but they have still put my CV forward. The contract is not in the UK but I am happy to work anywhere, and as contractors we must be prepared to do that. I have spent the past few days brushing up on those legacy skills !!

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by newtothis View Post
                      Well, so far, you guys arent exactly helping, but thanks anyway. im looking for assistance, not to be ridiculed!
                      Bear in mind your question was "You people are making money. I want some of that. Tell me how to compete with you and put one of you on the bench." Expect toughness!

                      Originally posted by newtothis View Post
                      Firstly. this is my first post ever on a forum, so i think i can be forgiven for making a fool of myself.
                      No you can't! This is the Internet and all newbies are scum who deserve to die. Anyone who doesn't know something I have known for 5 minutes is a loser who should be thrown off. In fact, a common cry here is "Anyone who has been here less time than me should not be allowed to post!" You got off very lightly!

                      Originally posted by newtothis View Post
                      i have no intention of becoming a contractor right now
                      <splutters beer over monitor>
                      • Please Advise - im new to contracting!
                      • appreciate the situation im in
                      • my apprehension to go into contracting
                      • id go contracting tomorrow
                      • help this enthusiatic guy out in anyway
                      • a willing wanna be contractor

                      Careful how you backpedal. You might fall off and land on your arse.

                      Originally posted by newtothis View Post
                      WOW

                      what a way to shoot a guy down.
                      You've no idea how proud that statement made me!

                      Originally posted by newtothis View Post
                      but thankyou for your tough love regime.
                      If you want tough love, General is the place to get it. Just don't bend over...

                      Originally posted by newtothis View Post
                      Well, i really should of done my homework eh. thanks for mocking me people
                      You have clearly done some homework already, hence you got advice. The more meaningful the question, the better the advice.

                      Good questions are like this:

                      "I get the impression umbrella companies are less hassle but cost you in the wallet. But I'm wondering if it be a good idea to use one for my first contract, rather than try to learn all the horrid Ltd Co stuff up front? Am I right, or is there a simple way of doing the limited company thing?"

                      Most people come on here saying "Oi! Rich gits! How do I go contracting and make loads of money doing no work and not paying any tax?" and find themselves in a small world of pain. Showing you have the balls to come back and face the flak suggests you're really interested. Well done.

                      On the PCG web site is this link. Fill it in and print off the long colour document on your company's best quality colour printer. If anyone sees it, blame your contractor colleague (they'll be blaming their printing on you, by the way...)
                      Drivelling in TPD is not a mental health issue. We're just community blogging, that's all.

                      Xenophon said: "CUK Geek of the Week". A gingerjedi certified "Elitist Tw@t". Posting rated @ 5 lard points

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