UFO Proliferation

[TimberWolf]

Guilt is for permies...

I'll have a copy please.

PM Sent.

Can you tell us the conclusions then?

[ThomasSoerensen]

Either they are coming out, during a turbulent time to try and avert an Armageddon type disaster (CERN ?) , they may be planning on launching an Armageddon type disaster, or they may be planning Official Contact.

Or it's all a load of doo-doo.

We live in interesting times, eh ?

As an aside, I do believe in other life in the known universe. It's statistically impossible for there not to be life.
However, as an astronomer, I am well aware of the vast distances between constellations and other solar systems, and I cannot forsee any alien technology having the capability to travel the colossal distances required in space.

Put it another way, Abell 1835 IR1916, is a galaxy that has a redshift of 10 and is located about 13,230 million light-years away. It is therefore seen at a time when the Universe was merely 470 million years young, that is, barely 3 percent of its current age.

Let's suppose a civilisation within this galaxy could travel space at the speed of light. That is still 13,230 million years transit time, just to get here. Completely unrealistic.

You'd need to travel at many multiples of the speed of light to get anywhere in a meaningful amount of time. I mean, literally millions of times the speed of light.

Considering the fact that nothing with mass can travel at the speed of light, let alone beyond it, there is little hope for anything travelling at millions the speed of light.

I worked out using current technology that to travel to our closest star system (Alpha Centauri , 4.34 ly away) it would still take about 32,000 years.

As much as I like sci-fi, you've got to be pragmatic and realise that the laws of physics, much like the computer on Little Britain, say "No".

Have you had many long lonely boring hours by the telescope?

[ThomasSoerensen]

It's swamp gas

I apologize for farting

[BrilloPad]

I apologize for farting

You should only apologize if you mean it.

[Diver]

You should only apologize if you mean it.

He did mean to fart

[ace00]

We may be one of the first though? Since as you note life arose quickly on Earth - about as quickly as is possible. For example to obtain the elements required for our type of life, the Universe had to be as old as it was (needed a Super Nova to form carbon atoms etc, and our solar system to be formed from these remnants).

The requisite materials (heavy elements) where already in existence 5 billion years or more before the creation of the solar system.
It's all on Wiki

"Finally, objects on the scale of our solar system form. Our sun is a late-generation star, incorporating the debris from many generations of earlier stars, and formed roughly 5 billion years ago, or roughly 8 to 9 billion years after the big bang."

[Diver]

Originally Posted by TimberWolf View Post
We may be one of the first though? Since as you note life arose quickly on Earth - about as quickly as is possible. For example to obtain the elements required for our type of life, the Universe had to be as old as it was (needed a Super Nova to form carbon atoms etc, and our solar system to be formed from these remnants).

Yep! thats the human race alright!

Remnants

[TimberWolf]

The requisite materials (heavy elements) where already in existence 5 billion years or more before the creation of the solar system.
It's all on Wiki

That's the point - heavy elements need have to have been created at least 5 billion years ago since our solar system didn't create them. Prior to that there must have been at least one Super Nova event with its whole life cycle before that. The Universe is only 15 billions years old and our Sun is good for perhaps 10 billion years. Granted bigger Suns go Super Nova earlier (or not at all). But you also need time for galaxy formation (a violent event?) and to create the first Suns. 15 billion years is nothing

I'm not sure how well the whole thing is understood, if there is a link to the best theories on this maybe we could decide rather than relying on a paradox of a genius of 50 years back, when things were barely understood. Things may have moved on since Fermi!

[Diver]

That's the point - heavy elements need have to have been created at least 5 billion years ago since our solar system didn't create them. Prior to that there must have been at least one Super Nova event with its whole life cycle before that. The Universe is only 15 billions years old and our Sun is good for perhaps 10 billion years. Granted bigger Suns go Super Nova earlier (or not at all). But you also need time for galaxy formation (a violent event?) and to create the first Suns. 15 billion years is nothing

I'm not sure how well the whole thing is understood, if there is a link to the best theories on this maybe we could decide rather than relying on a paradox of a genius of 50 years back, when things were barely understood. Things may have moved on since Fermi!

We were all created by a supreme being. Ask NickyG

[Churchill]

We were all created by a supreme being. Ask NickyG

Absolutely!

TGAOTU!
or
TGGOTU!

Which I hasten to add has **** all to do with goats!