Are we in a new age of Islamo-fascism?

[snaw]

The early verses are tolerant of people of the book, but i later verses it becomes much more violent towards them, something to do with the Jews and Christians persecuting Mohammed.
As the Muslims believe it is a revealed religion, the later verses supercede the previous ones.
The tolerance is also quoted in the Koran, but that tolerance is limited by a number of rules.
Do you realy find it acceptable that people should be regarded as second class citizens?

Nope, but it's all relative. I'm not a muslim, and I'm not qualified to quote verbatim the Koran's views for or against Christians and Jews. I'll believe at face value what my muslim mates have told me on this subject and what little I know or have read on it. And I've yet to come across anything which preaches violence directly against Christians and Jews, but I do know of some which preach tolerance and explicitly give us rights.

Western society has moved on since the middle ages, I was merely pointing out that in the past Islam was, relatively speaking, a very tolerant religion whereas in the west we were extremely intolerant.

[Lucifer Box]

Thought I'd repost this from another thread (where it got buried by Chico driveling on about absolute truths) as it has some bearing on the subject under discussion.

Normal service will now be resumed

That [applying abrogation rules] is a tricky question because the 114 sections of the Koran are not arranged in chronological order. However, much sequencing has been done based on tone and the historical events covered therein. Unlike the New Testament, it is considered likely that the very earliest sections do contain a few verbatim quotes from Mohammed (who, it is alleged, received the so-called Last Testament, or al-Qu'ran in Arabic, from the Archangel Gabriel).

Much of the preamble concerns itself with confirming the veracity of The Torah and The Old Testament and, in some cases, directly recounts them. The stories of Cain and Abel, Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Moses, Solomon, David and many other Old Testament characters are presented more or less as we know them today.

As regards The New Testament, the only main characters directly referenced are Jesus, Mary and John the Baptist. For Mohammed, of course, this was more recent history and less newsworthy as it were. The story of Jesus in The Koran is very interesting, as it is more or less the same as that found in one of the apocryphal Gospels excised at the Council of Nicea. Some people believe it is the most accurate account we have today of the life of Jesus as, unlike The New Testament, The Koran is relatively free of post-editatorial "corrections". Of course, as we all know, The Muslims revere Jesus as one of the most important Biblical prophets (unlike the Jews), arguably second only to Mohammed, but, like the Jews, they do not accept that he was The Messiah.

The tone itself varies depending on the events in Mohammed's life at the time. The sections generally deemed to be earlier ones are very peaceable in tone, whereas later ones dealing with the flight to Medina are more aggressive as the lad was having a bit of a rough time.

[sasguru]

Hmmm

It's clear that most Muslims in the UK are not terrorists. But a few years ago I used to work with a Muslim colleague who saw me with a copy of the Satanic Verses, and asked me why I was reading that "foul crap". I asked him if he had read it and he replied "Yes, the relevant bits". He fully approved of the fatwa death sentence on Salman Rushdie. This was an otherwise bright and educated guy. I think that attitude is more prevalent than we think

[The Lone Gunman]

Let's not judge the whole Islamic community in Britain by a few nutjobs, cause it makes as much sense as judging every Irishman by the actions of the IRA in years gone by.

As the Iranian comedian whos name I can not pronounce nor spell points out, that would be like asking the Grand Wizard of the KKK for the Christian opinion.

[The Lone Gunman]

Try this, 3 translations.


http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/

You will find (one of) the cut off their heads bit in Spoils of War, plus some other stuff.

Look for the other stuff yourself. It is all there.

[Lucifer Box]

Nope, but it's all relative.

Don't tell Chico that - he'll start foaming at the mouth.

[Mailman]

I don't understand why everyone thinks that the Islamic terrorism is about spreading an Islamic state in the west... from what I understood the terrorism was a reaction so that the west withdraws from Iraq and Palestine... if the west stops interfering and withdraws from the middle-east then bothe the west and middle-easts' problems will be solved

HAHAHAHAA...how ignorant is that!!!

Islamic terrorism was around long before Afghanistan and Iraq were issues for the current bunch of morons that float around out there.

And you think the terrorists will just stop if all the foreign troops are pulled out of the middle east? BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHHAA!

Fark...comments like yours just cut me up sandy

Mailman

[SupremeSpod]

Don't tell Chico that - he'll start foaming at the mouth.

I don't mind him foaming at the mouth, it's the speaking in tongues and the green puke I can't handle!

[Mailman]

You can only go by what you know, and every muslim I know from good mates to the family running my local corner shop are decent people.

Snaw, by all accounts the teacher that detonated was also a pretty decent chap.

Just because the fuzzy wuzzies look nice and cuddly on the outside doesnt mean they dont want to lop your head off in the name of a minor cult.

Mailman

[snaw]

You will find (one of) the cut off their heads bit in Spoils of War, plus some other stuff.

Look for the other stuff yourself. It is all there.

Looking and all it talks about are unbelievers, and from my understanding muslims consider people of the book believers, albeit flawed ones. Not that I condone strinking the heads of unbelievers, but then again I don't condone stoning adulterous wives, disobedient children and homosexuals but you'll find that in the bible.

You want to go on hating muslims, be my guest but once you're down that path what exactly is the difference between you and those amongst them who hate as well? Yer all as bad in my book, it's the hating that causes all the crap, the rest of us just want to get on with our lives (Including the majority of muslims).

And mailman, he wasn't a decent chap - he was a murderer plain and simple. Hitler was a vegetarian, that doesn't make his crimes any more palatible either. Same with serial killers, they're always normal blokes next door. Until they get found out.