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[DodgyAgent]

No, you missed the point of this thread - knife crime I believe - if you read back on what most people have been posting on.

No one would argue that there is a link between crime, of any sort, and poverty/unemployment etc. But it's not the only reason for knife crime - I'm not going to go to the effort of posting why all over again if you can't even be bothered to read the posts I've made detailing what I think.

You seem like a fairly decent bloke DA, despite our divergent political views - but you consistently, and irritatingly don't read what others say and assume you know, and subsequently transpose, other people's motivations for them.

Usually all down to socialists and the welfare state. It's a pretty limited, and one dimensional worldview. Probably why you relate to Mrs T as much as you seem to.

So snaw what other causes are there of knife crime, other than by what I call career criminals (intelligent criminals who use their talents and skills to commit crime) ?

My simple point is that if kids were educated properly and that when they left school they had self esteem and confidence whether from success at sport or music or academia then it would break the spiral of deprivation.

Until education is taken away from the hands of politicians (socialists and Tories too scared to make the necessary reforms) and controlled by consumer choice then knife crime will just continue to escalate.

[Peoplesoft bloke]

So snaw what other causes are there of knife crime, other than by what I call career criminals (intelligent criminals who use their talents and skills to commit crime) ?

My simple point is that if kids were educated properly and that when they left school they had self esteem and confidence whether from success at sport or music or academia then it would break the spiral of deprivation.

Until education is taken away from the hands of politicians (socialists and Tories too scared to make the necessary reforms) and controlled by consumer choice then knife crime will just continue to escalate.

Dodgy, the vital point you are missing here is that the consumers doing the choosing would be the same feckless chav parent who don't care about these kids now. Do you honestly think they care what kind of education their manky offspring get? Of course not.

[DodgyAgent]

Dodgy, the vital point you are missing here is that the consumers doing the choosing would be the same flipless chav parent who don't care about these kids now. Do you honestly think they care what kind of education their manky offspring get? Of course not.

Good point, one for the detail boys to deal with.
I will say that nothing sharpens up the performance of an individual/company more than the twin hand of reward for success and the sword of Damocles for failure.
Let the social workers decide for the chavvy no hopers

[Peoplesoft bloke]

Good point, one for the detail boys to deal with.
I will say that nothing sharpens up the performance of an individual/company more than the twin hand of reward for success and the sword of Damocles for failure.
Let the social workers decide for the chavvy no hopers

Nice phrases - unfortunately I feel constrained to point out that consumers aren't in the driving seat of most larger outfits - shareholders are and the customers can mostly go hang as long as share returns are up.

[BrilloPad]

Let the social workers decide for the chavvy no hopers

No-one deserves the SS. Not even the chavs.