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Originally posted by BrilloPad View PostDon't the Russians want it?
Knowing what frequency the radar is on might be a bit more useful."See, you think I give a tulip. Wrong. In fact, while you talk, I'm thinking; How can I give less of a tulip? That's why I look interested."Comment
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Originally posted by DodgyAgent View PostI bet I could sell all the crap you build better than you could
How so? I don't sell it. I build customised software to the clients requirement. It is sold once the contract is signed as long as it meets the spec.
I dont know the radar freqs or the weapons settings either.I am not qualified to give the above advice!
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Originally posted by The Lone Gunman View PostDodgy!!! That is almost actionable.
How so? I don't sell it. I build customised software to the clients requirement. It is sold once the contract is signed as long as it meets the spec.
I dont know the radar freqs or the weapons settings either.Let us not forget EU open doors immigration benefits IT contractors more than anyoneComment
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Agreed. It's a trade. Sometimes highly skilled, and sometimes highly paid, but nevertheless, a trade.Comment
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Originally posted by Cheshire Cat View PostAgreed. It's a trade. Sometimes highly skilled, and sometimes highly paid, but nevertheless, a trade.Let us not forget EU open doors immigration benefits IT contractors more than anyoneComment
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Originally posted by DodgyAgent View PostI dont think you can call it a trade even.
profession, n.
7. a. An occupation in which a professed knowledge of some subject, field, or science is applied; a vocation or career, especially one that involves prolonged training and a formal qualification. Also occas. as mass noun: occupations of this kind.
trade, n.
5. a. The practice of some occupation, business, or profession habitually carried on, esp. when practised as a means of livelihood or gain; a calling; formerly used very widely, including professions; now usually applied to a mercantile occupation and to a skilled handicraft, as distinct from a profession (PROFESSION 6a), and spec. restricted to a skilled handicraft, as distinguished from a professional or mercantile occupation on the one hand, and from unskilled labour on the other. in trade, following a mercantile occupation, spec. that of a shop-keeper."See, you think I give a tulip. Wrong. In fact, while you talk, I'm thinking; How can I give less of a tulip? That's why I look interested."Comment
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Originally posted by DodgyAgent View PostI dont think you can call it a trade even.Comment
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Originally posted by DodgyAgent View PostYou are still not a profession
I have a degree in an engineering discipline and I apply that knowledge when performing my work. I have acquired years of on the job knowledge.
Maybe profession is beyond us as software engineers, but I feel that chartered status should be available and be required as a must have to perform some functions.
I am constantly amazed by some of the people who work on software for systems that could kill hundreds should they fail. Let alone the people who have developed (or failed to develop) the failed government projects that have cost billions.
Can you imagine the uproar if a bridge collapsed and you found out that the engineering team had no quals and weren't chartered?
Yet it is still acceptable to hire software developers who have learned to write software by "playing" with it.
Oooooh, went off on one then...........................I am not qualified to give the above advice!
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