Middle class guilt for Snaw

[oracleslave]

You have nothing to apologise for, after all I do give it out! Anyway it may interest you to know that I have been working my nuts off recently in order to expand into the German/swiss markets.

Boomed! Does that mean loads of time on the slopes, quaffing pilsener?

Now if only I could speak German

[DodgyAgent]

What? The ones they have at Christmas selling sausages, mulled wine and cheeses etc.

and dont forget the paedophiles in next door Austria

[DodgyAgent]

Boomed! Does that mean loads of time on the slopes, quaffing pilsener?

Now if only I could speak German

You dont necessarily need to

[sasguru]

You are becoming Denny-like. Long posts that always cover the same topic.

That is very true. And when a man spends so much time trying to convince others, it is because he is trying to convince himself.
HTH

[DodgyAgent]

That is very true. And when a man spends so much time trying to convince others, it is because he is trying to convince himself.
HTH

stop rubbing it in

[sunnysan]

Chf

Well I think Dodgy is on the money, if you dont believe me go do a CHF/GBP comparision for the last 12 months

Sein verurteilt ich erklare ihnen!

[oracleslave]

You dont necessarily need to

So have you had any success out there DA?

[NoddY]

So have you had any success out there DA?

Only selling double glazing.

[oracleslave]

Only selling double glazing.

Makes sense with the slowdown in house sales in the UK that the demand for double glazing should drop. A wise move to look towards Europe indeed

[snaw]

Here it is from two diametrically opposed newspapers

To this I will add my own anecdotal story.

in 2005 I went to a very lavish party at the home of a very rich founder of a very notorious recruitment group (it has the number "3" in it). As I bade farewell to my host someone asked him who he was going to vote for at the forthcoming election. He clearly hadnt really thought about it as he began to talk about his working class background. Eventually the "boy done good from Tooting" said that he would vote labour "on behalf of the friends that he grew up with".

Now why would he do such a thing when most of the working classes have grown up in an appalling environment that entirely relies on the state for its (poor) education, its inability to suppress crime (funny that most criminals are products of the state). After all he himself would never send his own kids to Tooting comp, nor would he be seen dead (if you will pardon the pun) in the outpatients waiting room of St Georges when he lives bang next door to one of the most exclusive private hospitals in Britain.

Furthermore does he ever stop and think or care even about how his tax is spent in helping those who are not as well off as he is. No for him to vote labour is an entirely selfish uncaring act to make himself feel better without having to make any sacrifices. "There there I voted labour sio I am one of you". Hating Thatcher is another outlet for middle class guilt; To voice hatred of her is a "right on" soft option for those (who have so enriched themselves from the freedoms that she won) wishing to give their conscience some sort of moral integrity without having to make any personal sacrifices to help out the less fortunate than themselves.

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/...lub_rules.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/m.../10/do1002.xml

Why a person votes for a party is their own personal concern, plenty of people vote a particular way for what I'd consider dumb reasons (In fact imo most voters are dumb, but doesn't mean they aren't entitled to vote). Is voting for a party based on your background any worse than someone voting for purely selfish reasons. I dunno, I generally vote on a mixture of both.

The paragraph:

why would he do such a thing when most of the working classes have grown up in an appalling environment that entirely relies on the state for its (poor) education, its inability to suppress crime (funny that most criminals are products of the state).

makes no sense to me. I grew up under a Thatcher government, she put tonnes of people on state benefits, crime rocketed. By your logic I should vote for anyone but tory.

the last part sounds more like that dude from a few good men. Hating Thatcher is a pretty general characteristic for anyone who came from a working class background then. And why not, she devastated the community I grew up in. The community I grew up in (Inc me, and my family) personally were impacted by many of her policies. In point of fact I'm guessing the community you were part of at that time most likely got the benefits which is why you remember her so fondly.

It's all about perspective.

Middle class guilt imo is a term thrown around by tory voting, middle class people who can't understand why someone from their social group doesn't vote the same way they do.

That, and a certain breed of wishy washy middle class knob that thinks they're in touch with the working man. I've no illusions about working class life (It's generally pish having no cash), or where I sit these days in relation to that life. But I have experienced the very sharpest end of it. Being out of touch with it now doesn't mean I should forget or somehow stop having a social conscience born of that upbringing.