Alcohol Concern

[wobbegong]

I think most people would be more open to the idea if additional revenue raised went to alcohol concern or similar charities, instead of direct to the gov't coffers

Exactly. My 13 yr old son came up with a similar idea regarding cigarrettes; put them up to a tenner a pack with £5 going to Imperial Cancer Research.

[BrilloPad]

no matter what we oppose

The thing is that most people do not oppose. I spent years at the sharp end of f4j - the apathy out there is incredible.

Democracy is hard to fight for and easy to lose.

IMO the sun reading, big broether watching unwashed do not deserve so much as a vote.

[KathyWoolfe]

The common excuse for them hanging around the streets is they have nothing better to do. Why not simply recruit them into community programmes if they insist on loitering on the streets?

I assume that there is nothing stopping these youths that are hanging around the streets from actually volunteering to join a community scheme so I doubt that they would do so without some threat of penalty.

[BrilloPad]

Exactly. My 13 yr old son came up with a similar idea regarding cigarrettes; put them up to a tenner a pack with £5 going to Imperial Cancer Research.

Perhaps if he donated a few hundered bags of sand to new liebour his idea might be implemented.

[PAH]

I assume that there is nothing stopping these youths that are hanging around the streets from actually volunteering to join a community scheme so I doubt that they would do so without some threat of penalty.

Indeed, that why it would have to be enforced as an alternative to asbos and other 'solutions' that are nothing more than papering over the problem.

A curfew after dark for youngsters. Any found hanging around in gangs on the streets are sent to boot-camp in the evenings for several months.

Kids kicking the crap out of police cars because all the fuzz can do is take them home in the hope their parents give a crap, shows just how wrong the authorities have got it at the moment.

[Marina]

The common excuse for them hanging around the streets is they have nothing better to do. ..

Or nowhere better to go, now all the parks and playing fields are being sold off for development, and swimming pools closed down, and woods built over.

[TheFaQQer]

Indeed, that why it would have to be enforced as an alternative to asbos and other 'solutions' that are nothing more than papering over the problem.

A curfew after dark for youngsters. Any found hanging around in gangs on the streets are sent to boot-camp in the evenings for several months.

Kids kicking the crap out of police cars because all the fuzz can do is take them home in the hope their parents give a crap, shows just how wrong the authorities have got it at the moment.

shot on sight

Allow the police to kill vermin, and they'd soon stop.

[BrilloPad]

Or nowhere better to go, now all the parks and playing fields are being sold off for development, and swimming pools closed down, and woods built over.

We have loads of parks round here - but all close 2 hours before sunset. The teens can make it in but not young kids. Also we only have 1 park with a cycleway (usually covered in dog sh1t) so it is hard to teach the kids to cycle.

[PAH]

Also we only have 1 park with a cycleway (usually covered in dog tulip) so it is hard to teach the kids to cycle.

Cycling's too dangerous these days. Too much traffic, and too many idiots. Safest way is probably on canal paths or off-road mountain bike trails.

At least the a-hole who knocked me off my bicycle when I was younger was a learner driver. Anyone else would probably have been going much faster and I'd have been splattered all over the road.