I hope they have let him get to a fax machine so at least he can still invoice his 3k a day whilst he is banged up. Its just like a 9 month extension.
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Originally posted by AtW View PostWhat about those guys in Great Escape, they also got unlucky and you would have been okay not to exchange them (if such option was available)?
We should wipe the scum off the face of the planet, and take Afghanistan with 'em. No cheap Afghan drugs = co cheap chav ragheads terrorising the world.
p.s. Have a nice day y'all.If she weighs the same as a duck, she's made of wood. And therefore a witch!Comment
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Originally posted by Ardesco View PostHe was a civilian, he is not a member of the military, doesn't have any military knowledge and is totally useless to the kidnappers.
The guerillas also want non-military staff of their own - so this makes exchange definately fair so long as number of exchanged people is even and they are of similar rank. These should be the rules of engagement in such cases - leaving your POWs to die from beheading is not a wise long term strategy.
This was kidnapping AtW, not a military force that surrendered and was captured as a result. If it was a military force captured then I would probably think an exchange was fair, but in this instance we would be bowing down to kidnappers and encouraging everybody else in the country to grab some foreigners to get what they want.Comment
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Originally posted by 51st State View PostYou're talking shi7e! All of your examples and thinking are based on the Vienna Convention for warfare. These f**** ragheads aren't fighting a war - they're cowards and terrorists and should be treated as such. Full stop.
We should wipe the scum off the face of the planet, and take Afghanistan with 'em. No cheap Afghan drugs = co cheap chav ragheads terrorising the world.
p.s. Have a nice day y'all.
I'm not sure 'raghead' is in the approved list of politically correct epithets.
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Originally posted by dude69 View Post
I'm not sure 'raghead' is in the approved list of politically correct epithets.
HTHIf she weighs the same as a duck, she's made of wood. And therefore a witch!Comment
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Originally posted by 51st State View PostYou're talking shi7e! All of your examples and thinking are based on the Vienna Convention for warfare. These f**** ragheads aren't fighting a war - they're cowards and terrorists and should be treated as such. Full stop.
You might have heard of partisan movement in USSR during WW2? Do you think those guerillas that were fighting in forests against nazies were also cowards? Do you really they should have given up fight because they are not military? That's rubbish.
Let's for a second assume that Operation Sea Lion was successfully done in 1940 and this country was occupied just like France. Most of the nazi military forces would then be moved to the Eastern front in 1941, what would you do:
1) be like the French and accept occupation
2) fight occupational forces with any means available - which in this case means guerilla warfare
I choose 2).
If the occupational force does not like it then guess what, they should not have occupied the place in the first place!
It's simple, innit, just don't invade foreign country and then you won't have local uprising in form of guerilla movement.Comment
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Originally posted by AtW View PostHe was a tech with 4 bodyguards who are formally not military staff, however they are used extensively in Iraq to support occupational force, in effect they are part of the occupational force.
The guerillas also want non-military staff of their own - so this makes exchange definately fair so long as number of exchanged people is even and they are of similar rank. These should be the rules of engagement in such cases - leaving your POWs to die from beheading is not a wise long term strategy.
With this in mind he was working for the Iraqi government by proxy.
Originally posted by AtW View PostI think any person working in any capacity in Iraq to support occupational force should be afforded same priviledges as the military when it comes to their capture. This is common sense really - otherwise prices of civilian force will only go up every time they get captured and beheaded. The only important thing is that the exchange should be fair - man for man is a fine trade, it was the case for centuries.Comment
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Originally posted by Ardesco View PostThey are not an occupational force, they are there at the request of the current elected government. The current government killed the only person who had a legal recourse to try and get rid of them so the Iraqi people are now stuck with them.
Originally posted by Ardesco View PostWith this in mind he was working for the Iraqi government by proxy.
Legitimacy of any new Government created after occupation while occupational forces are still present is under huge question.
Say, was Afganistan new Communist Government installed after USSR invaded it legitimate? I think not.
Originally posted by Ardesco View PostNo refusing to trade civilians means that the bad guys eventually get it through their head that there is no point in grabbing civilians, only military. If you trade civilians you encourage the bad guys to grab lots of easy targets to use as bargaining chips.
It is a no brainer exchange (under those fair terms) - occupational force in Iraq has got many more captured members of militia than militia will ever be able to achieve. So if you screw up with security and POWs are taken from you then you do the exchange.Comment
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Originally posted by AtW View Post
2) fight occupational forces with any means available - which in this case means guerilla warfare
I choose 2).
“The period of the disintegration of the European Union has begun. And the first vessel to have departed is Britain”Comment
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Now would be a good time to invoke his substitution clauseRule Number 1 - Assuming that you have a valid contract in place always try to get your poo onto your timesheet, provided that the timesheet is valid for your current contract and covers the period of time that you are billing for.
I preferred version 1!Comment
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