Afghanistan

[sunnysan]

Success

It depends on how you define success.

Did Russia Achieve its aims - No
Has US/UK achieved it aims - No
Is Afghanistan a stable properperous country - No
Is Bin Laden still at large - Yes
Is the Taleban still active - Yes
Have there been any major infranstructure improvements - No
Has the herion trade been adversely affected - No

You may have trouble trying to define success using that

[Diver]

True, but it happaned only because of a major screwup by USA (Bush/Rumsfeld/etc) which pulled out way too fast from Afganistan.

But in honest I think now it is not as easy for people from the west to get trained there - before the west was basically ignoring the fact of its citizens being trained in those camps, at least now there is some watching going on.

Bumsrush

[AtW]

Did Russia Achieve its aims - No
Has US/UK achieved it aims - No
Is Afghanistan a stable properperous country - No
Is Bin Laden still at large - Yes
Is the Taleban still active - Yes
Have there been any major infranstructure improvements - No
Has the herion trade been adversely affected - No

You may have trouble trying to define success using that

I define success in Afganistan as:

1) removal of government intent on making international jihad via preparation of terrorists from all over the world in their training camps - this is done.
2) stopping trade in heroin - this is not achieved (situation is worse than before), but even if it is achieved then heroin will be made elsewhere or people will use more coke or whatever, the solution here is legalisation of drugs, not trying to fight it in afganistan - so really this should not be a goal at all

As I said USA left Afganistan too early to finisht he job with Taleban and Bin Laden - then they (and UK) got bogged down in Iraq and only now withdrawals of troops from there are happening - these should have been sent to Afganistan.