Originally posted by PAH
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Originally posted by DimPrawn View PostDidn't top gear enter an old 330d into a 24 hr endurance race recently?
Don't Audi win Lemons every year with a diesel? I'm sure I heard somewhere that they're concentrating on performance diesels at the moment purely on the back of that race.Feist - 1234. One camera, one take, no editing. Superb. How they did it
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Originally posted by IR35 Avoider View PostThis is in the wrong price range to be of help, but the 2.7L V6 diesel Jaguar XF is quicker to 60 the the 3L Petrol. The diesel is under 8 seconds.
I think I saw on Parkers that with depreciation they're expected to be under £20k in 3 years, so a contender for my next car come then. I'll be old enough by then to not worry too much about the jag's old man image either!Feist - 1234. One camera, one take, no editing. Superb. How they did it
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Originally posted by PAH View PostYeah, against M3s and better. If they'd left the driving to the Stig they may have come close to winning.
Don't Audi win Lemons every year with a diesel? I'm sure I heard somewhere that they're concentrating on performance diesels at the moment purely on the back of that race.
I am only a bit concerned about buying a 2 -3 years old performance car. It might have been driven like hell.Last edited by 2uk; 28 February 2008, 10:03.Comment
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Originally posted by 2uk View PostOnly Audi and BMW have diesels that deserve attention. ( from my research )........Comment
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The most refined diesels (like their petrol counterparts) are 6 and 8 cylinder engines. 4 pot diesels are horrible rough things, even the new ones.
BMW, Jag, Audi and a few others make nice refined 6 and 8 cylinder diesels.Comment
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Originally posted by Peoplesoft bloke View PostKeep on believing it - someone has to pay for the marketing :-)
There is nothing wrong with marketing - look where Microsoft has gotten.Comment
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Originally posted by 2uk View PostIf Germany is known for anything , this is its quality......
And I've have known a lot of BMW owners and not a single one has had a car without some faults. BMW is very good about mending stuff under warranty, but certain Japanese cars don't even need to go back..........
However, the sheep motoring hacks, the motor trade, consumers and owners want to pretend that their cars are vastly better, otherwise they'd have to accept the scandalous prices are only paying for clever marketing :-)Comment
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Originally posted by Peoplesoft bloke View PostWell, in the minds of some folks, yes, but the VWs I've had (and I have owned 4) weren't significantly better than the Citroens but they were significantly more expensive.
And I've have known a lot of BMW owners and not a single one has had a car without some faults. BMW is very good about mending stuff under warranty, but certain Japanese cars don't even need to go back..........
However, the sheep motoring hacks, the motor trade, consumers and owners want to pretend that their cars are vastly better, otherwise they'd have to accept the scandalous prices are only paying for clever marketing :-)
The Beemers, Audis and the one merc I ever had were faultless. The japs do have a good rep for reliability but theres no comparison to a beemer for example. The interiors are comparable to a council flat and the driving experience is carp.
Depends what you want from a car. I like handling, refinement, grunt, comfort, reliability and badge is near the end. Just so happens the germans tick all those boxes.Eat Right, Exercise, Die Anyway.Comment
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I'm not arguing that BMs aren't refined and a decent drive - although the 3's and 5's I've driven were nothing to write home about - but it was a long time ago and they were basic models. My point is the quality angle is exaggerated.
Last year a mate bought a 330d tin roof thingy - brand new. The rear windows don't wind up every now and then. it's apparently a known fault and he's waiting for the parts to arrive so he can take it in and have the interior stripped out and both motors changed - quality?????Comment
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