Why you need to pay more tax

[expat]

FWIW.
I think we should scarp the reciprocal (sp?) agreements we have with other countries in the EU and require all foreign nationals to take out medical insurance for the term of their visit.

AIUI we do not have reciprocal agreements with other countries in the EU: we have a single agreement called "membership in the EU".

Scrrap that if you want (OK by me) but don't imagine that it's some kind of menu from which you can pick the bits you like (unless you're French).

[The Lone Gunman]

By pretty much what they are proposing to do - withdrawing medical treatment from the elderly... say after 70 you are on your own unless you want to pay for it privately

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Oh dear. Now you have doen it.
Why should those who have paid in all ther lives be barred from getting the treatment they have paid for?
Why should smokers who have paid far more in tax be barred from receiving the treatment they have paid for?
If you want to go down that route then sportsmen should be barred from treatment for sports related injuries and the pregnant should be barred from maternity care, after all it is a self inflicted condition. Et al.....

[M_B]

These are the facts from the home office web site.

"If you are a visitor to the United Kingdom or have temporary permission to live here (we call this limited leave to remain), you may be able to register with a GP in your area and receive free treatment. The GP can decide whether or not to register you. You may not be able to receive the full range of hospital treatment, because you must be a permanent resident or have lived here for a year to qualify for it. This applies even if you are a British citizen or have lived or worked here in the past.

You can find out more about this in the Department of Health leaflet 'Did you know that you may have to pay for hospital treatment whilst here?'. Some health services are free of charge to everyone. These are:

treatment given in an accident and emergency (A&E) department or in an NHS walk-in centre that provides services similar to those of an A&E department;
treatment for certain infectious diseases (but for HIV/AIDS only the first diagnosis and counselling that follows it are free);
compulsory psychiatric treatment; and
family planning services. "

So I can see where the issue is - In theory a pregnant mother anywhere in the world can opt to come here on an extended holiday in order to receive free treatment.

[The Lone Gunman]

AIUI we do not have reciprocal agreements with other countries in the EU: we have a single agreement called "membership in the EU".

Scrrap that if you want (OK by me) but don't imagine that it's some kind of menu from which you can pick the bits you like (unless you're French).

I am all for pulling out of the EU. It seems the only people actualy trying to make it work (rather than seeing what they can get out of it) is the GB. We end up paying in a fortune withno real benefits.

[Troll]

These are the facts from the home office web site.

"If you are a visitor to the United Kingdom or have temporary permission to live here (we call this limited leave to remain), you may be able to register with a GP in your area and receive free treatment. The GP can decide whether or not to register you. You may not be able to receive the full range of hospital treatment, because you must be a permanent resident or have lived here for a year to qualify for it. This applies even if you are a British citizen or have lived or worked here in the past.

You can find out more about this in the Department of Health leaflet 'Did you know that you may have to pay for hospital treatment whilst here?'. Some health services are free of charge to everyone. These are:

treatment given in an accident and emergency (A&E) department or in an NHS walk-in centre that provides services similar to those of an A&E department;
treatment for certain infectious diseases (but for HIV/AIDS only the first diagnosis and counselling that follows it are free);
compulsory psychiatric treatment; and
family planning services. "

& enforced?

[Troll]

Oh dear. Now you have doen it.
Why should those who have paid in all ther lives be barred from getting the treatment they have paid for?

Really the argument is about the elderly... we have the medical ability now to prolong life - the question is do we want to & can we afford to.

I'm all for treatment upto the alloted three score & ten but after that the decline is noticable & I would advocate withdraw of treatment -except for pain relief.

I suppose a likely scenario would be what to do with Doris, who lives in a council house, no savings or family support & at 71 falls down the stairs and breaks her hip- do you put her on the hip replacement programme?

[M_B]

Really the argument is about the elderly... we have the medical ability now to prolong life - the question is do we want to & can we afford to.

I'm all for treatment upto the alloted three score & ten but after that the decline is noticable & I would advocate withdraw of treatment -except for pain relief.

I suppose a likely scenario would be what to do with Doris, who lives in a council house, no savings or family support & at 71 falls down the stairs and breaks her hip- do you put her on the hip replacement programme?

Well we don't have to stop there. Very premature babies cost a fortune and their survival rate is minimal. Should we bother ? (I do get your point - I'm just widening things)

[The Lone Gunman]

Really the argument is about the elderly... we have the medical ability now to prolong life - the question is do we want to & can we afford to.

I'm all for treatment upto the alloted three score & ten but after that the decline is noticable & I would advocate withdraw of treatment -except for pain relief.

I suppose a likely scenario would be what to do with Doris, who lives in a council house, no savings or family support & at 71 falls down the stairs and breaks her hip- do you put her on the hip replacement programme?

My wifes grandfather was 103 when he died. Fought in two world wars and never had a day off sick in his life. Retired at 70 then got a part time job just to keep busy.
There was no welfare state when he was young. Why shouldhe not be entitled to treatment?

If we are going to have a welfare state then it should be for all, but only those who are paid up members.

[Troll]

My wifes grandfather was 103 when he died. Fought in two world wars and never had a day off sick in his life. Retired at 70 then got a part time job just to keep busy.
There was no welfare state when he was young. Why shouldhe not be entitled to treatment?

If we are going to have a welfare state then it should be for all, but only those who are paid up members.

Yeah that would be the Mirrors emotive headline

[Troll]

Well we don't have to stop there. Very premature babies cost a fortune and their survival rate is minimal. Should we bother ? (I do get your point - I'm just widening things)

I personally would say no.... but then I am against IVF treatment too

Sometimes nature just has to take its course