Originally posted by Bagpuss
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Rich kids brighter than poor kids shocker!
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I didn't realise there was social mobility in the UK??? shocker!McCoy: "Medical men are trained in logic."
Spock: "Trained? Judging from you, I would have guessed it was trial and error."Comment
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Originally posted by Bagpuss View PostYou also assume rich= high IQ, which blatently it does not.“The period of the disintegration of the European Union has begun. And the first vessel to have departed is Britain”Comment
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It's both.
Not everyone is born with the same mental capacity, because of genes, development in the womb, etc.
After that, the influence of peers and parents can drag a dull kid up, or a bright kid down.
That's the natural order of things, and it's the devil's own job to change it.Comment
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Originally posted by wendigo100 View PostThat's the natural order of things, and it's the devil's own job to change it.“The period of the disintegration of the European Union has begun. And the first vessel to have departed is Britain”Comment
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Originally posted by shaunbhoy View PostNot in all cases admittedly, but it is not a bad rule of thumb. Anyway, I don't need to "believe" anyone, I go on vast personal experience. For every Shakespeare that sink estates throw up, middle-class suburbia will produce umpteen, regardless of what fanciful stats might get unveiled from the romantic idealists.
Most renown entrepreneurs don't come from good backgrounds
Middle class spoilt children tend to do poorly in exams
Yesterdays working class are tomorrows middle class
I'd wager putting an average poor kid into a middle class background and he'd do just as well and vice versa,
oh no I am Mortimer from trading places! and it worked!The court heard Darren Upton had written a letter to Judge Sally Cahill QC saying he wasn’t “a typical inmate of prison”.
But the judge said: “That simply demonstrates your arrogance continues. You are typical. Inmates of prison are people who are dishonest. You are a thoroughly dishonestly man motivated by your own selfish greed.”Comment
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Originally posted by shaunbhoy View PostThe "devil" in question being NL with their well-intentioned yet ineffective social engineering wealth distribution policies I assume?Comment
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Originally posted by Bagpuss View PostIf we are playing anecdotes then I'd say
Most renown entrepreneurs don't come from good backgrounds
Middle class spoilt children tend to do poorly in exams
Yesterdays working class are tomorrows middle class
I'd wager putting an average poor kid into a middle class background and he'd do just as well and vice versa,
oh no I am Mortimer from trading places! and it worked!
Well I wasn't "playing anecdotes", just working out likelihoods on the "Garbage In Garbage Out" school of thought. But if it helps your case then please, feel free.
Your environment and nutrition argument also fails to hold water if we believe the stats that suggested that as 3-year olds (presumably in the same environment with the same quality of nutrition) the poorer kids were deemed more intelligent. Anyway, this thread has pretty much done what I wanted of it.......filled in an hour or so prior to an early finish. Thank you one and all for your input!!
“The period of the disintegration of the European Union has begun. And the first vessel to have departed is Britain”Comment
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Originally posted by AtW View PostSounds like you are rich...“The period of the disintegration of the European Union has begun. And the first vessel to have departed is Britain”Comment
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Originally posted by Bagpuss View PostI'd wager putting an average poor kid into a middle class background and he'd do just as well and vice versa
It doesn't cost anything to help them in their early learning with stuff every adult should know, teach them how to behave properly, and keep them in to do their homework.
I'm lucky enough to live in a fairly affluent area, but there are a few people living here who (how can I put this kindly?) you might imagine belonging on a chav estate somewhere. The strange thing is, even surrounded by middle class influences and going to good schools, their kids are turning out to be exactly the same as their parents.Comment
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