Francko has truly moved to paradise

[Bagpuss]

At first I thought he was trying to say he isn't house trained

[GreenerGrass]

Going back to the original post, this happened in Zurich several years back. After a drunken night out we were frogmarched to a cash till by the police for forgetting to buy a tram ticket.
Couldn't believe it, and they would have taken us to the station had the hole in the wall not dispensed any readies. One copper had a bushy moustache, a hungry looking Alsation and a Glock pistol. Not good.

Very strange country Switzerland.

[Francko]

Going back to the original post, this happened in Zurich several years back. After a drunken night out we were frogmarched to a cash till by the police for forgetting to buy a tram ticket.
Couldn't believe it, and they would have taken us to the station had the hole in the wall not dispensed any readies. One copper had a bushy moustache, a hungry looking Alsation and a Glock pistol. Not good.

Very strange country Switzerland.

Yes, in England you would be legally entitled to spit and beat up the ticket controller and the police because they did not respect your religion who does not allow you to buy public transport tickets. It's only fair.

[sunnysan]

Well

"were frogmarched to a cash till by the police for forgetting to buy a tram ticket. "

Do be honest, why didnt you buy a tram ticket? You dont "forget" to buy a ticket, be honest, maybe you where drunk and you didnt give a t0ss.

I would be the first to say CH can be tad anal, but then again can you comepare the state of their major cities to major cities in the UK

I dotn think that CH just ended up that way. its clean and neat and orderly becuase of rigourous enforcement and consequently the public change their behavior accordingly.

This place is different.

Thats why you can be merrily running along a canal in London and would likely end up being stabbed with a broken Supermalt bottle in the head.

Thats why when you walk in a park in London you end up up to your ankles in dog sh1t becuase the owners coulnt be arsed to pick it up

Thats why some people have a picnic in the park and just leave all their rubbish lying around even though there are bins yards away

Thats why when you walk down the street in east london you got 15 year old kids swearing at you and your wife/gf.

Thats why people swear and shout and bus conductors.

I am a cynic at heart and believe that people will only start giving a t0ss if they are forced to do so.

Contrary to popular opionion I think the Swiss are human too and the reason why the country is clean and neat is because it is rigourously enforced not because the Swiss are that much different to us.

[Francko]

Contrary to popular opionion I think the Swiss are human too and the reason why the country is clean and neat is because it is rigourously enforced not because the Swiss are that much different to us.

It seems like they live a bit in the past. The most reckless teenagers believe that writing on the trains with a marker pen is the worst way of offending the law and they where doing it last time even with people watching them. Now I would expect that in a similar situation in London today they have guns instead of marker pens. However, I do expect that in 20 years time they will catch up with the UK standards (perhaps UK kids in 20 years will all have their own personal bazooka and nuclear nuke to shread people they don't like). This will still give me time to raise two kids in the meantime and then move somewhere else that is even further behind to catch up with modernity (any idea? Katmandoo? Papua? Puerto Rico?).

[Joe Black]

I dotn think that CH just ended up that way. its clean and neat and orderly becuase of rigourous enforcement and consequently the public change their behavior accordingly.

Indeed, through rigourous enforcement Mussolini also managed to have the trains run on time.

[sasguru]

Indeed, through rigourous enforcement Mussolini also managed to have the trains run on time.

I don't think these Euro types undersatnd the concept of freedom and liberty. They have that in common with home grown socialists.

[Francko]

Indeed, through rigourous enforcement Mussolini also managed to have the trains run on time.

I don't think you can really make a comparison here. Mussolini and the other dictators managed to make the situation better by raising fear among people. Swiss people do not need to be in fear. Surely, you must follow the rules, which are clear and well detailed (not like in England) but they certainly do not live in fear, or at least that's the impression I have. With the time they managed to create a system where people actually believe in rules and are happy to follow them because they understand the reason behind that.

What fool should you be to contest the fact that you are on a train without ticket, without ID and without money to pay the penalty. Surely in England they have to put a poster about a ticket controller being spat on to try to make people realise that this isn't right. Or the fact that you need stupid rubbish inspectors to check if you throw your rubbish in the bin. Isn't that a nanny state as well? I am sorry but I do think that the swiss way is a more sensible way to educate people without treating them like complete idiots but with simple, clear and valid-for-all rules.

[Cassus Deli]

I don't think you can really make a comparison here. Mussolini and the other dictators managed to make the situation better by raising fear among people. Swiss people do not need to be in fear. Surely, you must follow the rules, which are clear and well detailed (not like in England) but they certainly do not live in fear, or at least that's the impression I have. With the time they managed to create a system where people actually believe in rules and are happy to follow them because they understand the reason behind that.

What fool should you be to contest the fact that you are on a train without ticket, without ID and without money to pay the penalty. Surely in England they have to put a poster about a ticket controller being spat on to try to make people realise that this isn't right. Or the fact that you need stupid rubbish inspectors to check if you throw your rubbish in the bin. Isn't that a nanny state as well? I am sorry but I do think that the swiss way is a more sensible way to educate people without treating them like complete idiots but with simple, clear and valid-for-all rules.

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