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    #21
    Originally posted by wendigo100
    I'm not sure that the ozone layer is a greenhouse factor.

    But anyway, who is responsible for changing attitudes, or promoting lower-carbon technology? The government?

    How seriously can you take a government that made a universally-acknowledged buffoon called Prescott responsible for environmental policy?

    Furthermore, whatever the government tells us about the environment, no-one believes a thing they say any more!
    The Ozone layer is a major factor in the production of the greenhouse effect.
    Depletion of the ozone layer caused by prolific use of CFC's increases the ammount of solar radiation (Sunlight/UV) that reaches the earths surface, this heats the earths surface (land and Oceans) this causes increased temperature, increased evaporation, changes in winds and currents, increased rainfall in some area's desertification in others.
    Increased CO2 emmisions combined with deforestation, warmer sea's that can no longer act as effective carbon sinks.
    Reduction in polar ice, rising sea levels, changing weather patterns,increased cloud cover that reflects emitted heat energy back to the earths surface to be further heated by increased solar energy, result = greenhouse
    We don't need a sycophantic government spokesman to tell us what is happening. Or extravegant concerts.
    Look at weather records over the past 50 years. Look at the weather over the past 10 years. Look out of the window and at the news & remind yourself that it is mid summer.
    Last edited by Diver; 8 July 2007, 22:44.
    Confusion is a natural state of being

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      #22
      Originally posted by Diver
      Flooding in mid summer?
      Yep...that's not abnormal.


      Originally posted by Diver
      Increased solar radiation through ozone depletion?
      Ozone depletion was fixed. And has nothing to do with global warming.

      The Gore film made this point, surprised you missed it


      Originally posted by Diver
      I would say that some people need to pull their head out of the sand, but at the rate of increase in world desertification that may soon be impossible.
      If people like you keep making crazy statements...no wonder they are skeptical.

      Get a grip!

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        #23
        Originally posted by max
        Yep...that's not abnormal.

        Ozone depletion was fixed. And has nothing to do with global warming.

        The Gore film made this point, surprised you missed it
        If people like you keep making crazy statements...no wonder they are skeptical.

        Get a grip!
        The Ozone hole is not fixed as you put it
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_depletion
        The Gore film!
        http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/5347048.stm

        Get your head out of the sand and stop Listening to Industrialists that don't give a sh1t about the globe as long as they make a buck.

        I was picking ripe Blackcurrants and redcurants in my garden in march, I will be picking a second crop this week. so you say that this is natural and normal,
        Trees and plants flowering in february and losing their leaves in summer.
        Pollination gone to hell because nature is out of sync.
        Crops all over the world destroyed in the fields because of unusual weather patterns.
        Massive sections of the permanant ice at the poles breaking off.
        Polar bears drowning at sea because the ice shelf has receded so far that they are having to swim hundreds of miles to find food

        Despite all of this, we do not have either the technology or the knowledge to put this right. all we can do is try to slow it down by a more conservative use of resources.
        This will become increasingly more difficult as time goes on.
        From 2003 to 2050, the world's population is projected to grow from 6.4 billion people to 9.1 billion, a 42 percent increase. If energy use per person and technology remain the same, total energy use and greenhouse gas emissions will be 42 percent higher in 2050. But that's too low, because societies that grow richer use more energy.
        Unless we condemn the world's poor to their present poverty and freeze everyone else's living standards.

        Wake up! and smell the coffee, while we have it!
        Last edited by Diver; 8 July 2007, 23:23.
        Confusion is a natural state of being

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          #24
          Originally posted by Diver
          The Ozone hole is not fixed as you put it
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_depletion
          The Gore film!
          http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/5347048.stm

          Get your head out of the sand and stop Listening to Industrialists that don't give a sh1t about the globe as long as they make a buck.

          I was picking ripe Blackcurrants and redcurants in my garden in march, I will be picking a second crop this week. so you say that this is natural and normal,
          Trees and plants flowering in february and losing their leaves in summer.
          Pollination gone to hell because nature is out of sync.
          Crops all over the world destroyed in the fields because of unusual weather patterns.
          Massive sections of the permanant ice at the poles breaking off.
          Polar bears drowning at sea because the ice shelf has receded so far that they are having to swim hundreds of miles to find food

          Despite all of this, we do not have either the technology or the knowledge to put this right. all we can do is try to slow it down by a more conservative use of resources.
          This will become increasingly more difficult as time goes on.
          From 2003 to 2050, the world's population is projected to grow from 6.4 billion people to 9.1 billion, a 42 percent increase. If energy use per person and technology remain the same, total energy use and greenhouse gas emissions will be 42 percent higher in 2050. But that's too low, because societies that grow richer use more energy.
          Unless we condemn the world's poor to their present poverty and freeze everyone else's living standards.

          Wake up! and smell the coffee, while we have it!
          rabid!

          Exactly! This is my point

          ..when people make shotgun statements about global warming..the cause it not helped.

          Get a grip!

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            #25
            Originally posted by Diver
            The Ozone layer is a major factor in the production of the greenhouse effect.
            Depletion of the ozone layer caused by prolific use of CFC's increases the ammount of solar radiation (Sunlight/UV) that reaches the earths surface, this heats the earths surface (land and Oceans) this causes increased temperature, increased evaporation, changes in winds and currents, increased rainfall in some area's desertification in others.
            Increased CO2 emmisions combined with deforestation, warmer sea's that can no longer act as effective carbon sinks.
            Reduction in polar ice, rising sea levels, changing weather patterns,increased cloud cover that reflects emitted heat energy back to the earths surface to be further heated by increased solar energy, result = greenhouse
            We don't need a sycophantic government spokesman to tell us what is happening. Or extravegant concerts.
            Look at weather records over the past 50 years. Look at the weather over the past 10 years. Look out of the window and at the news & remind yourself that it is mid summer.
            C02 makes up less than 1% of the atmosphere and it shares that 1% with a host of other gases too. If you want to look at historical climate patterns then you should maybe look back over the last 1000 years. The world was apparently locked into a miini ice age between 1400 and 1900 ad.

            As far the ozone layer is concerned, we were we not told that this was being destroyed? Well apparently it has repaired itself and yet again doom and gloom merchants have been proved wrong.

            Global warming may indeed be happening though no one knows what if any contribution we are making to it.

            Those people who are so hysterical about it are driven by their own seperate agendas:

            1. Govt.. an excuse to raise more tax and to tell more people what to do, and exert ever more control on people (along with terrorism)
            2. pop stars like it because they can promote themselves and overcome their guilt about their riches without actually making any personal sacrifices
            3. The BBC. has set the consensus on global warming because it can pursue its own agenda of beating up business and supporting the govt to perpetuate the license fee and to justify its existence as a propoganda machine.
            Let us not forget EU open doors immigration benefits IT contractors more than anyone

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              #26
              It's July and sunny today.

              That's not normal. I blame climate change.

              People - learn to distinguish the difference between weather and climate. We might have some odd weather but that's all it is, weather.

              Stop worrying about bulltulip!

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                #27
                I want to do my bit to help.

                I use an electric shaver each morning and was wondering whether the effects of the process of making the shaver and supplying it with electric when on charge is better for the environment than the effects of the process for making shaving foam, wet shavers and water.

                I'm happy to switch to which ever one we think is the more better for the environment.
                Thats the way the cookie crumbles

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by DodgyAgent
                  Global warming may indeed be happening though no one knows what if any contribution we are making to it.
                  In many ways I wish the scientists hadn't bothered telling us that climate change is probably being caused by human activity. This seems to have put most people on the defensive. Either that or simple denial. They should've just said, "The climate is changing, and it's changing very quickly. Also, the oil is running out. Just letting you know. Cheers then, bye." Then people could either prepare themselves or not bother, a bit like watching the weather forecast and deciding whether to take an umbrella or not.

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by Cooperinliverp00l
                    I'm happy to switch to which ever one we think is the more better for the environment.
                    If you really cared you'd just grow an enormous, straggly beard.

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                      #30
                      Climate has always changed. The problem with humans is that although we've only been aound a relatively short while, and concious of our impact only a minute fraction of that, we seem to think that the world is a static entity.

                      Erosion, deposition, climate change, environmental change, species extinction, ice sheet increase and decrease, have all been going on for countless millions of years, yet we seem to think, with our over-inflated sense of our own importance, that firstly, it's all our doing, and secondly, we can stop, or in some cases, even reverse it.
                      The vegetarian option.

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