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    #11
    Maybe they did. The Portuguese police don't seem to say much, about anything. Even this latest thing, which is all over the newspapers and web, is unofficial.

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      #12
      Originally posted by TheFaqqer
      Exactly - wouldn't they have searched and found it a bit earlier than now??
      No. It was (it seems) wiped off, so missed first time. Sniffer dogs found it on a recent revisit. Nothing very unusual in that. Revisits to crime scenes often yield new stuff. That the blood was wiped off raises interesting questions, though.

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        #13
        Originally posted by Ardesco
        I would have thought that you would be able to find various amounts of blood in many hotel rooms due to people having accidents.
        According to the portuguese press, as well as the smell of blood, one of the dogs detected some "cadaver odour".

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          #14
          Originally posted by Pinto
          According to the portuguese press, as well as the smell of blood, one of the dogs detected some "cadaver odour".
          Yeah, but that's probably normal in hotel rooms. I mean, someone's bound to have died in most hotel rooms at some point really.

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            #15
            Oh give me a break. How long does it take for a body to decompose enough to smell like a cadevar, I suspect more than a couple of hours. We don't suddenly start secreting "Cadavar Odour" the second we die.

            So let me get this straight somebody broke into the room, grabbed the girl, killed her in a struggle (why kill her unless they spooked her and were trying to shut her up) then proceded to clean the place up and wipe all traces of blood off the floor/carpets/walls/wherever. Throughout this nobody saw or heard anything and her two brothers kept sleeping peacefully while this happened, and the parents who were nipping back to check on thier children every 30 mins saw no evidence of the killing.

            In this half hour killing slot the poor childs body decomposed enough to produce "Cadavar Odour" which a special dog can smell.

            Does this really sound realistic to you?

            Yes I agree that it is highly likely that some evil SOB has killed Madeleine at this point in time, however lets be sensible about this. For me the biggest farce is that the police have only just decided to perform a more detailed examination of the room. Shouldn't that have been done 2 weeks after she dissapeared when they had run out of leads?

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              #16
              Originally posted by Ardesco
              Oh give me a break. How long does it take for a body to decompose enough to smell like a cadevar, I suspect more than a couple of hours. We don't suddenly start secreting "Cadavar Odour" the second we die.

              So let me get this straight somebody broke into the room, grabbed the girl, killed her in a struggle (why kill her unless they spooked her and were trying to shut her up) then proceded to clean the place up and wipe all traces of blood off the floor/carpets/walls/wherever. Throughout this nobody saw or heard anything and her two brothers kept sleeping peacefully while this happened, and the parents who were nipping back to check on thier children every 30 mins saw no evidence of the killing.

              In this half hour killing slot the poor childs body decomposed enough to produce "Cadavar Odour" which a special dog can smell.

              Does this really sound realistic to you?

              Yes I agree that it is highly likely that some evil SOB has killed Madeleine at this point in time, however lets be sensible about this. For me the biggest farce is that the police have only just decided to perform a more detailed examination of the room. Shouldn't that have been done 2 weeks after she dissapeared when they had run out of leads?
              According to the piece, the difference lies in the chemical composition of the blood, ie. the different ratio of red/white blood cells, although some specialists apparently don't believe it's possible to differentiate between blood from a live body and blood from a dead body.

              No one is suggesting that the reason why the dog smelt "cadaver odour" is because Maddie stayed in the room long enough for her body to decompose.

              Anyway, I just thought I'd include this piece of info, as it was reported in the paper. I don't believe or disbelieve, as I don't know enough to decide.

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                #17
                Originally posted by Ardesco
                In this half hour killing slot the poor childs body decomposed enough to produce "Cadavar Odour" which a special dog can smell.
                Ah - you're missing the point.

                It's a special British-trained dog. A lot of news outlets are making a point of mentioning that the dog is British - as if to imply that the Portuguese know nothing about crime detection.

                Apparently, they've also flown out a (British-trained) Cracker-style expert...
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by Pinto
                  According to the piece, the difference lies in the chemical composition of the blood, ie. the different ratio of red/white blood cells, although some specialists apparently don't believe it's possible to differentiate between blood from a live body and blood from a dead body.

                  No one is suggesting that the reason why the dog smelt "cadaver odour" is because Maddie stayed in the room long enough for her body to decompose.

                  Anyway, I just thought I'd include this piece of info, as it was reported in the paper. I don't believe or disbelieve, as I don't know enough to decide.
                  Don't worry my scorn is not directed at you for writing what the paper said. My scorn is directed at the paper, and this comment:

                  Originally posted by dang65
                  Yeah, but that's probably normal in hotel rooms. I mean, someone's bound to have died in most hotel rooms at some point really.
                  IMHO it is a bunch of sensationalist crap that has been written to imply that Madeline was murdered in her own hotel room with the clear intention of selling more copies. What is more attention grabbing? "Dog smells blood and cadevar odour in maddy's room!!!" or "Police dog finds a trace of blood that likely has nothing at all to do with the case".

                  Until we know more the latest "significant discovery" means jack tulip.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by TheFaqqer
                    Ah - you're missing the point.

                    It's a special British-trained dog. A lot of news outlets are making a point of mentioning that the dog is British - as if to imply that the Portuguese know nothing about crime detection.

                    Apparently, they've also flown out a (British-trained) Cracker-style expert...
                    Well I would have to say that if it has taken them this long to go over Madeline's room with a real phorensic team who are capable of finding things like traces of blood/dna then the papers are probably right.

                    They should have examined the room in this much detail straight away when there was good chance of finding some sort of evidence that could point towards the perpetrator.

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                      #20
                      No one has mentioned that the parents are doctors/surgeons and put two and two together and come up with "The parents did it, with their medical knowledge etc..."

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