Whining Iraqis!!

[sasguru]

So you didn't watch the Great Global Warming Swindle then? How very broadminded of you. Shame, because it was pretty much all covered in there. That said, it was probably on past your bedtime. Do yourself a favour, get hold of a copy of it, it might free your mind from the pre-programmed party line endlessly promoted by the self-perpetuating "scientists" in the carbon camp and the governments that stand to benefit from the inevitable tax hikes that you have bought into hook line and sinker.

Is that the limit of your evidence?
I did watch it with great interest. And as you are probably not aware given your blinkered approach here are some points about it:

1. The creator of the program has been censured before for wilfully presenting misleading information in another documentary about an unrelated subject.
2. The main gist of the program, that solar activity is the main cause of GW, is laughable to any reputable climate scientist. The program showed a partial graph over a limited time scale which showed a correlation. This was taken from a valid graph which if seen over the larger time scale shows no correlation at all.
3. The program claimed that volcanoes release more CO2 than man. A blatant lie.

There are more examples of the programs blatant misinformation, bending of the truth and bias, which a little cursory investigation will reveal, even to one of your limited intellectual capacity.

Given your whole point in starting this thread, that one shouldn't believe all one is told without examining the evidence, it is indeed ironic that you have come full circle and are now quoting a highly dodgy media programme as fact.

Jeez man, have some self respect and stop making an even bigger arse of yourself than you have already made on this thread.

[Magnus]

So you didn't watch the Great Global Warming Swindle then? How very broadminded of you. Shame, because it was pretty much all covered in there. That said, it was probably on past your bedtime. Do yourself a favour, get hold of a copy of it, it might free your mind from the pre-programmed party line endlessly promoted by the self-perpetuating "scientists" in the carbon camp and the governments that stand to benefit from the inevitable tax hikes that you have bought into hook line and sinker.

By all means do just that sasguru, but before you do, make sure you read the Independent Television Commission's judgement on a documentary Martin Durkin made some years ago about greenies, here: http://www.ofcom.org.uk/static/archi...int_id=40.html

Comparison of the unedited and edited interview transcripts confirmed that the editing of the interviews with these four contributors had indeed distorted or misrepresented their known views.

And be aware that someone has already stepped forward with the same complaint about Durkin's Global Warming Swindle doco.

Also be aware that in 1998 the American Petroleum Institute wrote a memo stating

Victory Will Be Achieved When

* Average citizens "understand" (recognize) uncertainties in climate science; recognition of uncertainties becomes part of the "conventional wisdom"
* Media "understands" (recognizes) uncertainties in climate science
* Media coverage reflects balance on climate science and recognition of the validity of viewpoints that challenge the current "conventional wisdom"
* Industry senior leadership understands uncertainties in climate science, making them stronger ambassadors to those who shape climate policy
* Those promoting the Kyoto treaty on the basis of extent science appears to be out of touch with reality.

http://www.euronet.nl/users/e_wesker/quote.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myron_E...entists_report

Looks like quite a few people on here have been played for chumps...

[sasguru]

By all means do just that sasguru, but before you do, make sure you read the Independent Television Commission's judgement on a documentary Martin Durkin made some years ago about greenies, here: http://www.ofcom.org.uk/static/archi...int_id=40.html



And be aware that someone has already stepped forward with the same complaint about Durkin's Global Warming Swindle doco.

Also be aware that in 1998 the American Petroleum Institute wrote a memo stating

http://www.euronet.nl/users/e_wesker/quote.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myron_E...entists_report

Looks like quite a few people on here have been played for chumps...

I prefer to argue things on the basis of the quality of the science rather than on the comments and background of the personalities involved, if it's all the same to you.

[shaunbhoy]

I prefer to argue things on the basis of the quality of the science rather than on the comments and background of the personalities involved, if it's all the same to you.

Well the science that you seem so keen on believing is based on computer models that work largely on the GIGO principle. Garbage in, Garbage out.
Like your representative polls, they can be manipulated and cherrypicked to give whatever outcome you prefer. "Set parameters to induce maximum research grant funding Mr Gobbledygook, and careful with that temperature axis!"
There is much more to this than you seem prepared to grasp sg. Hardly surprising given your limits. Do a google on 'Global Dimming' for further evidence, you are good at that if nothing else.

[sasguru]

There is much more to this than you seem prepared to grasp ...

And I suppose your inter-planetary sized brain has managed to grasp these issues, where the rest of us chimps have failed

I'll leave it to the objective reader of this thread to make up their own mind

[shaunbhoy]

I'll leave it to the objective reader of this thread to make up their own mind

Thank God for that. I thought you were going to go hyper-google again and produce some more obscure references to back up your clumsy contentions.
To quote William Hague, "you are all spin and no delivery" sasguru. A one-dimensional thinker in a multi-dimensional world. Perhaps we should have you stuffed one day and kept in the Natural History Museum, somewhere in between the Deep Sea Sponges and the Dodo?

[sasguru]

Thank God for that. I thought you were going to go hyper-google again and produce some more obscure references to back up your clumsy contentions.
To quote William Hague, "you are all spin and no delivery" sasguru. A one-dimensional thinker in a multi-dimensional world. Perhaps we should have you stuffed one day and kept in the Natural History Museum, somewhere in between the Deep Sea Sponges and the Dodo?

No, thank God for that! For a second there I thought you were going to do a bit of thinking and point out some issue with the science of global warming that would have us racking our brains.
But I shouldn't have worried. What you see is what you get with you, SB - a bumptious buffoon more at home twittering about whatever propaganda matches up with your cartoonish view of the world.

[shaunbhoy]

For a second there I thought you were going to do a bit of thinking and point out some issue with the science of global warming that would have us racking our brains.

Okay, here's an issue for you. If the scientists you seem so impressed with (the same ones that were incidentally predicting the new Ice Age a mere 30 years ago!) were to produce models that suggest that man's interference is of limited import in all this, what might happen to their bottomless funding and research grants? That's right, they would disappear overnight. And so would the leverage for an infinite number of ongoing green tax takes for governments around the planet. So it is hardly surprising that they manufacture the self-perpetuating set of results that they do. Not that anything that sinister would dawn on nasally-led primates like you. For those of us less gullible it is not that hard to comprehend. It really is a no-brainer, you should be right at home. Sadly, as with so many things that are not stunningly simple, you cannot fathom it.

[Lucifer Box]

To be fair, the weather has been a bit chilly the last few days. Isn't this proof that the increase in Air Passenger Duty is working its magic already? A bit of road use charging and we should be fine.

[sasguru]

Okay, here's an issue for you. If the scientists you seem so impressed with (the same ones that were incidentally predicting the new Ice Age a mere 30 years ago!) were to produce models that suggest that man's interference is of limited import in all this, what might happen to their bottomless funding and research grants? That's right, they would disappear overnight. And so would the leverage for an infinite number of ongoing green tax takes for governments around the planet. So it is hardly surprising that they manufacture the self-perpetuating set of results that they do. Not that anything that sinister would dawn on nasally-led primates like you. For those of us less gullible it is not that hard to comprehend. It really is a no-brainer, you should be right at home. Sadly, as with so many things that are not stunningly simple, you cannot fathom it.

That is of course possible. It is also possible that the pro GW science is right. Which is why if you want to get as close to the truth as possible, you need to criticise the science. If you could discredit that you would have made your point. But as such a simple logical chain seems beyond you, you resort to a cliched, banal repetition of propaganda.