Scotland's Independance

[wendigo100]

One of the despairing traits of Scotland is the almost complete abscence of an entrepreneurial culture. If Scotland were to become independent then they may be shaken into creativity just as the Irish have done over the past 10 years. Ithink they are caught in the headlights of being dependent on English taxpayers money (which they quite rightly resent) when in actual fact they should not be dependent upon anyone.

Speaking of the Irish, like them, if Scotland became independent they could join the EU off their own bat and qualify for several billion in grants. We would all be better off.

The only downside is that our government might volunteer to pay the lot themselves!

[mrdonuts]

leave before the bill arrives

alex salmonds not daft - he clearly understands scotland needs to get independence asap otherwise we will be sharing the bill for the london olympic farce

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Scotland's Independence


tch

I don't know what you're talking about

[mrdonuts]

au contraire - i think you'll find its actually scotland that subsidises england to the tune of £700 per person

[Euro-commuter]

au contraire - i think you'll find its actually scotland that subsidises england to the tune of £700 per person

How can that be, you ask? Because it is in the nature of these costs and cashflows that those that show "England subsidising Scotland" are visible; those that represent a net flow from Scotland to England are hidden in the "national" budget.

I believe that is true, but I think that we can discuss the issue sensibly without mentioning that: perhaps even more sensibly if we don't. Just as we can discuss it without the English claim that they subsidise Scotland. And without arguing about whose oil it might be.

It isn't really about any of those things. So the allegation that Scotland couldn't survive without England's subsidy doesn't scare me.

[wonderwaif]

Speaking of the Irish, like them, if Scotland became independent they could join the EU off their own bat and qualify for several billion in grants. We would all be better off.

The only downside is that our government might volunteer to pay the lot themselves!

It would seem a bit strange to me for the Jocks to go on and on about independence, and then sell themselves to Brussels at the earliest opportunity.

[Euro-commuter]

It would seem a bit strange to me for the Jocks to go on and on about independence, and then sell themselves to Brussels at the earliest opportunity.

At least the English are consistent: they don't believe that Scotland should be independent, and they don't believe that Britain should be independent!

[DodgyAgent]

If Scotland left the Union and became a succesful nation full of riches we could always invade them again and do a bit of redistribution.

[GlasgowBob]

One of the despairing traits of Scotland is the almost complete abscence of an entrepreneurial culture. If Scotland were to become independent then they may be shaken into creativity just as the Irish have done over the past 10 years. Ithink they are caught in the headlights of being dependent on English taxpayers money (which they quite rightly resent) when in actual fact they should not be dependent upon anyone.

I disagree with your comment on Scotland lacking an entrepreneurial culture. Surveys done a couple of years ago show Scotlands entrepreneurial activity is already alongside countries such as France, Germany, Spain and Ireland. Although there is always room for improvement and hopefully with or without independence this can grow

I agree to a certain extent to what you are saying about dependency. I think in a lot of ways Scotland feels like an employee of England but feel we could go limited!

Its got nothing to do with bad feeling against England - which there isn't - it's just that a lot of people want to prove that Scotland can go it alone and hopefully be better off (not necessarily financially) with an independent Scotland. I hope if it does happen Scotland can keep a special relationship with the rest of the UK and it's looked at as a positive move rather than any resentment from south of the border for breaking up the union.

This what my original comment was trying to get across. We are all looking for an adult discussion of the pros and cons for everyone but when you have a government and an opposition in westminster that can only say negative things about an independant Scotland which then feeds the media, the population and this board!

[shaunbhoy]

If Scotland left the Union and became a succesful nation full of riches we could always invade them again and do a bit of redistribution.

Invade them with what DA? A huge chunk of the armed forces is made up of Scots and besides, they are already far too busy killing assorted muslims in foreign climes at the behest of HMG.