Ultimate cuk disgusted of Tunbridge Wells thread

[The Lone Gunman]

You think it's as simple as that? Do children never learn (as in are influenced) to be gay?

I remember seeing a documentary about a man who found paperclips attractive, to the extent he only became sexually arosed when he saw one. Was he born with a paper clip gene?

I think there is a certain amount of learned behaviour but I don't believe that being gay is learned. The individual is gay.
Obsessive behaviour as you describe is somewhat different.

I know a couple of guys who are gay and I promise you, they never learned it as far as I can see and neither made a choice.
They both have straight brothers and sisters too. Same families, same school, same environment, slightly different peer group.
Where does it come from if it is not there already?

[Cowboy Bob]

Sexaul desire is mainly influenced by surroundings, you need to stop swallowing the PC propoganda

No it is not. You need to go and read some books - scientific ones, not The Sun Annual 2006.

[kramer]

or accept the liberal idealism as a means to a better intergrated society!

[AdviceSeeker]

I'm not sure I'm brave enough to join in this thread!

I was school teacher for 15 years before I got into IT.

In my experience, you can most definately tell a childs future sexual preference, from nursey age if truth be told.

Girls and boys do not have sex (or even know what it is) but they certainly know who they like, and what type of person they like from a very young age.

I definately wouldn't want "sex books" in schools for children of that age, but I would definately like to see different themed books with all different kinds of people.

Please dont shoot!

[kramer]

i agree with you AS!

no need to hide ....

[Bagpuss]

No it is not. You need to go and read some books - scientific ones, not The Sun Annual 2006.

1) No researcher has found provable biological or genitic differences between heterosexuals and homosexuals that weren't caused by their behavior
Occasionally you may read about a scientific study that suggests that homosexuality is an inherited tendency, but such studies have usually been discounted after careful scrutiny or attempts at replication. No one has found a single heredible genetic, hormonal or physical difference between heterosexuals and homosexuals - at least none that is replicable. (9, 12) While the absence of such a discovery doesn't prove at inherited sexual tendencies aren't possible, it suggests that none has been found because none exists.

2) People tend to believe that their sexual desires and behaviors are learned
Two large studies asked homosexual respondents to explain the origins of their desires and behaviors - how they "got that way." The first of these studies was conducted by Kinsey in the 1940s and involved 1700 homosexuals. The second, in 1970, (4) involved 979 homosexuals. Both were conducted prior to the period when the "gay rights" movement started to politicize the issue of homosexual origins. Both reported essentially the same findings: Homosexuals overwhelmingly believed their feelings and behavior were the result of social or environmental influences.

[Cowboy Bob]

I definately wouldn't want "sex books" in schools for children of that age, but I would definately like to see different themed books with all different kinds of people.

Quite correct IMO. It shouldn't be treated as a theme, but be in the background as something that's normal in children's literature.

[Bagpuss]

Care to comment on my post Bob?

[John Galt]

I can't find any evidence that there is scientific proof to support the idea that one's sexuality is genetically determined but I also cannot find proof that it is not. However, the point is that children of 4 or 5 do not need to be aware of homosexuality in the same way as they do not need to be aware of racism or any other sort of discrimination - they are children for heaven's sake. At the end of the day this has nothing to do with the welfare of the children it is an attempt by liberalists to end intolerance of a specific minority - they could learn from the children themselves who notice no difference between themselves and their friends until someone points it out.

[Cowboy Bob]

1) No researcher has found provable biological or genitic differences between heterosexuals and homosexuals that weren't caused by their behavior
Occasionally you may read about a scientific study that suggests that homosexuality is an inherited tendency, but such studies have usually been discounted after careful scrutiny or attempts at replication. No one has found a single heredible genetic, hormonal or physical difference between heterosexuals and homosexuals - at least none that is replicable. (9, 12) While the absence of such a discovery doesn't prove at inherited sexual tendencies aren't possible, it suggests that none has been found because none exists.

If you go back and read my posts you'll see quite clearly that I stated that the "gay gene" is a complete myth. ALL genes have the potential to be "gay" by having an undesirable mutation and therefore triggering behaviour to avoid procreation.

2) People tend to believe that their sexual desires and behaviors are learned
Two large studies asked homosexual respondents to explain the origins of their desires and behaviors - how they "got that way." The first of these studies was conducted by Kinsey in the 1940s and involved 1700 homosexuals. The second, in 1970, (4) involved 979 homosexuals. Both were conducted prior to the period when the "gay rights" movement started to politicize the issue of homosexual origins. Both reported essentially the same findings: Homosexuals overwhelmingly believed their feelings and behavior were the result of social or environmental influences.

You need to get a bit more up-to-date on your scientific knowledge. The idea of individual genes manipulating the whole and being the driving force of evolution itself (see The Selfish Gene) had not even been thought of by 1970 - even though it is now accepted science.

Science moves on. Even Darwin was incorrect in the detail of evolution. He was proved wrong by the father of modern genetics - Gregor Mendel. No matter how much you'd like to believe that homosexuality is a learned behaviour, you are wrong. You are of course free to believe that if you like, but you need to understand that such a belief is coming from a position of ignorance.