Alabama - WTF!

[Old Greg]

I'd like to see the evidence / stats for "lifestyle abortions". Mistakes happen or something goes wrong.

Abortion isn't simple. It's a nasty process on the body, whatever stage it happens at. For a vulnerable woman, it can also be a mentally harrowing experience.

Men seem to think that pregancy, birth, abortions, miscarriages are all just a walk in the park so they're perfectly placed to shame, blame, legislate and generally decide what a woman should do with her body.

I think it's a term used by snowflakes, trigerred by women's autonomy over their bodies during pregnancy.

[filthy1980]

Birth is the normal definition.

in your opinion is aborting a fetus @ 39 weeks and 6 days justifiable in non life threatening circumstances?

[Old Greg]

in your opinion is aborting a fetus @ 39 weeks and 6 days justifiable in non life threatening circumstances?

No. Where did I suggest that?

[ladymuck]

in your opinion is aborting a fetus @ 39 weeks and 6 days justifiable in non life threatening circumstances?

It all depends on the specific circumstances, but I would expect the medical advice to either suggest induce labour or do a C-section.

[BrilloPad]

at what point would you say a fetus is a baby?

13 weeks.

[filthy1980]

It all depends on the specific circumstances, but I would expect the medical advice to either suggest induce labour or do a C-section.

My argument was more around at what point does the fetus begin to have human rights (right to life)

(Not saying I have the answer, like I stated earlier in the thread it's a minefield)

[ladymuck]

My argument was more around at what point does the fetus begin to have human rights (right to life)

(Not saying I have the answer, like I stated earlier in the thread it's a minefield)

Fair enough.

How about at the point you can reasonably expect it to show 6 of the 7 signs of life:

Movement, respiration, sensitive to environment, growth, excretion, feeding

Excluded reproduction for reasons I really hope don't need pointing out.

[filthy1980]

Fair enough.

How about at the point you can reasonably expect it to show 6 of the 7 signs of life:

Movement, respiration, sensitive to environment, growth, excretion, feeding

Excluded reproduction for reasons I really hope don't need pointing out.

logically some form of criteria has to drawn up and agreed upon then regularly reviewed

i just have a problem with zealots at either end of the spectrum

[Yorkie62]

Fair enough.

How about at the point you can reasonably expect it to show 6 of the 7 signs of life:

Movement, respiration, sensitive to environment, growth, excretion, feeding

Excluded reproduction for reasons I really hope don't need pointing out.

Even with your headings you have opened up a minefield.

What constitutes movement, an amputated frogs leg can be made to move with electrical impulses, i.e. does an uncontrolled muscular spasm constitute movement.

similar argument could also be applied to feeding and excretion. I think we all know what you mean but for legal clarity it would have to be defined and then how do you prove that is occurring. You can't see or prove that the Foetus is feeding, and you can't say well its alive so it must be feeding because you are using feeding as one of your 6 proofs of life - a circular argument. the same applies to excretion. I could go on but you get the general idea that you need good unquestionable legal definitions. As has already been said its a minefield out there

[GhostofTarbera]

I'd like to see the evidence / stats for "lifestyle abortions". Mistakes happen or something goes wrong.

Abortion isn't simple. It's a nasty process on the body, whatever stage it happens at. For a vulnerable woman, it can also be a mentally harrowing experience.

Men seem to think that pregancy, birth, abortions, miscarriages are all just a walk in the park so they're perfectly placed to shame, blame, legislate and generally decide what a woman should do with her body.

A bit like shaving for a man


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