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[contractorinatractor]

The Chancellor will argue that, if he's going to bring this in - that was the argument when it was introduced in the public sector, and that was successful so why would you change the record?

The punctuation usage in this sentence is appalling. I'm considering setting up a JustGiving.com page to ensure this does not happen again.

[The Spartan]

It wasn't in Southend or Worthing was it?

Just had a look at the email now and it was based in Crewe.

[MrMarkyMark]

No not really. I spent most of this year on nearly 800 a day surrounded by guys on CL1 contracts that left them on 550 max. One of my other ex colleagues is charging £1500 a day for bespoke AWS planning while job serve is awash with chancers looking for ex permies that are happy to take £450 a day for the same skill...

The problem is while £1500 might be a little steep, the guys taking 450 have not the first clue about what it actually costs to be a business on your own account. 450 a day tells me they are not planning for sick/bench/training/equipment/taxation change etc

All entitled to your own opinion though

I was on £450, 12 years or so ago now, with just a small commute.

It was OK then, but certainly nothing to shout about in real terms these days

[The Spartan]

You are making the mistake of presuming roles are exactly equivalent. In the public sector you get to deal with tulip politics.

Mind you this also happen in the private sector too, I'm working at a European aviation giant and the politics here is eye watering.

[SueEllen]

I was sent a role last week for a Government Dept which claimed it was outside IR35, I was very surprised but there's still no way I'd put myself forward for it.

It wasn't in Southend or Worthing was it?

[The Spartan]

Some are already.

Though it depends on the background of the people who are in charge.

I was sent a role last week for a Government Dept which claimed it was outside IR35, I was very surprised but there's still no way I'd put myself forward for it.

[bobspud]

Someone contradicts himself here so clearly doesnt know his arse from his elbow.

No not really. I spent most of this year on nearly 800 a day surrounded by guys on CL1 contracts that left them on 550 max. One of my other ex colleagues is charging £1500 a day for bespoke AWS planning while job serve is awash with chancers looking for ex permies that are happy to take £450 a day for the same skill...

The problem is while £1500 might be a little steep, the guys taking 450 have not the first clue about what it actually costs to be a business on your own account. 450 a day tells me they are not planning for sick/bench/training/equipment/taxation change etc

All entitled to your own opinion though

[washed up contractor]

The market is now awash with idiots that think 500 a day is the going rate to be a senior contributor to xyzzy project and that needs to stop.

Fact is most of you have fallen for rates far bellow what most clients will pay and at worst have been feeding agents that are making 20 - 40% off your nativity

Someone contradicts himself here so clearly doesnt know his arse from his elbow.

[LondonManc]

Just so you know that while telling the world that there will be no room to up rates, someone wandered past me the other week and offered me 750 for an HMRC role.

I turned it down for two reasons.

1) Im not working in Southend -EVER-
2) Im not prepared to take work that is project based and has no mutuality of obligation while being taxed as an employee when it contravenes the law as it stands.

Lack of apostrophe aside, this is where it gets interesting.

Being inside IR35 suggests/infers/implies MoO; if you get a 12 month contract, has it become the equivalent of a footballer's contract, where you're paid up in full if they want you off site early?

[SueEllen]

The public sector has to compete with the private sector for talent. If they are facing the situation where they can't recruit a particular skill set on an inside basis, because the contractors have fled to the private sector outside IR35 contracts, then perhaps the only way they can currently fill the role is to advertise it as outside also. If the private sector suddenly starts offering the role as inside, then the private sector will be able to follow suit.

You are making the mistake of presuming roles are exactly equivalent. In the public sector you get to deal with tulip politics.