Sky news total bulltulip

[MarillionFan]

Is there any possibility Zeit sneezed on the guys food?

GGL and all that.

[Pope Benedict XVI]

In the last 2 years a lot of - I'd say majority of Putin's critics died in Russia - some were shot, some were poisoned, other died under strange circumstances, supposedly heart attack stuff: and now they kill on UK soil.

The main point is - there are much easier ways to kill people than use Polonium in quantity that can only be obtained from few nuclear labs around the world - you may buy small quantity of it on the Internet, but not enough to kill a person - more importantly given how little it takes to kill person dead quickly and have no effect at all, this cases shows that whoever did it had exact knowledge on how much to administer to get person die, but live for a few agonising weeks: this is specialist knowledge that can be obtained only experimentally - on other humans.

You really pick them AtW. The “alertnet website” where you got your information is a real US right winged biased site. Very anti Russian and as for the US and Iraq, it treats it like a tea-party.

[IR35 Avoider]

To say Putin must be guilty because Alexander Litvinenko said so is outright pathetic.

Until hard evidence emerges, I think the opinion of a murdered man as to who his enemies are is a good basis for provisionally assigning blame.

[mcquiggd]

Have to say I'm with Alexi on this one... organised crime would have probably shot him, slit his throat or blown up his car...

Use of a lethal dose of a radioactive substance? Another matter entirely...

Obtaining Polonium, transporting it into the country (I doubt very much it was bought over the counter at Boots), handling it in such a way that the assassin escapes any side effects, and then delivering it discreetly (possibly at the Hotel, as traces of radioactivity were found there, and that was the first meeting point, I understand)...

Sorry but someone with government backing did this.... it just depends which government.... there was no reason for any organised crime family to go after him, that I can see - unless they also assassinated the female Russian reporter whos death he was investigating. But as he was fiercely denouncing Putin as the perpetrator, I doubt this.

What is more realistic, Russian state agency ordering his assasination in a way that is a obvious sign to other foreign dissidents (who used to belong to the KGB, FSB etc), and yet difficult to prove, or, say, the US, who wanted to raise anti-Putin feeling amongst Sun readers. Or maybe it was British Gas, in an attempt to increase fuel prices.

[AtW]

I have this feeling that it was not expected for the real cause for his death to be identified as very few would look for alpha-radiation in the first place - doctors said in most countries this would have never been found out and even here it was identified only at the very end, perhaps by chance.

So, it is not that obvious that the perpetrators of this act wanted the whole world to know they used Polonium-210: more important is not the use per se, but expert knowledge required to know what exactly very small amount to give to avoid immediate death on one hand - the weights in question are so small that very specific expert knowledge of how much will kill a healthy person not too quick is required, this sort of stuff won't come in "manual" to industrial pack of Polonium.

I hope the British police has got guts to follow this one through regardless of foreign affair implications it may lead to.

In the last 15 years there were a fair few cases of strange poisons used as means of assasinations - very unusual approach in Russia as most of contract hits done using firearms and explosives. The first time in my memory they did it in the UK - interestingly number of KGB/GRU agents in London working under Embassy cover has reached levels only seen at the height of the Cold War...

There is a non-zero probability he did it himself - but I can't see him doing this to leave his wife and child just like this, he would have done more damage to Putin if he stayed alive, which is why he got murdered in the first place.

I hope New Liebour will at least have some balls to upset Blair's good friend Putin, if not, then they are really scumbags of the lowest order who would have British citizens killed in the UK for sake of gas supplies.

[AtW]

Oh, of course he got killed by the organised crime - the problem is that the criminals also hold the office in Kremlin and they became the biggest most dangerous mafia in Russia - the State Mafia (tm).

[mcquiggd]

I doubt the UK police will pursue it any further than political pressure will allow... although perhaps, in new labour's twilight hours, some in the force might want revenge for the interference they have suffered - e.g. the Cash for Peerages investigation seems to be undeterred by labours machiaveliian antics.

Personally, no matter how much evidence they unearth, I still think this will largely be buried, except to exercise some sort of influence over Putin in energy talks. Not that he seems that bothered.

Remember Viktor Yushchenko...? Look at the state of his face - and that's after he was released from hospital...

http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com...?id=1420712004

[AtW]

Remember Viktor Yushchenko...? Look at the state of his face - and that's after he was released from hospital...

Notice how whoever did that was never found and Yushchenko himself does not actively pursue that route.... why? Well, I certain he made a deal with Putin to keep it quiet in exchange for expert help to treat him, probably antidote or something.

Anyone would sell out democracy in exchange for getting back pretty face, eh?

[Lambros]

The whole point is to kill in a way that would instill fear in others - that's why they use slow method in a way that strongly hints it is them, yet you can't really prove it.

You have no clue about what's going on in Russia, so either learn it well or keep your mouth shut.

I do have some knowledge about Russia because my wife is from Ukraine and her grandmother is Russian and we all know what happened in the fake Orange Revolution!

Litvijenko...had to run away from Russia because he and his patron Berezovskij had been investigated by the state authorities for serious fraud. And when we talk about fraud in Russia, we talk about a lot of money. What is very funny for me, is how these crooks manage to persuade the naive uk that they ran away because of their political beliefs and got political ayslum, when they are simple crooks. There is no such term "political belief" for these kind of people. Today they are with Putin, tomorrow they will be with Girinovskij , if he gives them more money.

[AtW]

You have no clue.