Voting to remain is not the same as "carry on as we are..."

[dx4100]

I think you miss the point - we want to leave because we do not care about the EU - so we have no interest in shaping it....

Which is just plain dumb given how the EU has a direct impact on the global economy. If the EU fails, we fail....

[DodgyAgent]

Which is just plain dumb given how the EU has a direct impact on the global economy. If the EU fails, we fail....

If?

it is already failing the economies of Europe and on migration

[scooterscot]

I don't know. please tell us.

I asked the question din't I?!

Perhaps because we don't know how to take responsibility. And actually if you look at our last several governments you can see responsibility has been somewhat lacking. An eye watering debt we can never repay, banks allowed to do as they please, the rich squirrel cash offshore without challenge and the poor hounded through austerity. It's anti responsibility if anything.

[original PM]

Which is just plain dumb given how the EU has a direct impact on the global economy. If the EU fails, we fail....

ah yes the bleating of the self righteous who feel they have the right to tell other people what to do.

We are not a part of the EU so we do not tell them what to do because we do not care as long as they do not do anything which affects us - and if they do we can address that as the issues arise.

So for example they start a trade embargo on the UK - we can resolve it politically or we can solve it by force and lets face it as part of the EU nothing is being solved politically so maybe you need a stick?

In much the same way as we do not get a say in the way India runs it's government but if they decided to do things which affect us we have the same options.

All we are really doing by leaving is giving ourselves the chance to not have to resolve things in an environment which is politically hostile to the UK - we give our selves other options.

[scooterscot]

If?

it is already failing the economies of Europe and on migration

Oh what grounds has the EU failed?

Whilst I await your contrived answer here are some successes of the EU:


1 The end of war between European nations

2 Democracy is now flourishing in 27 countries (something the UK really hates)

3 Once-poor countries, such as Ireland, Greece and Portugal, are prospering

4 The creation of the world's largest internal trading market

5 Unparalleled rights for European consumers

6 Co-operation on continent-wide immigration policy

7 Co-operation on crime, through Europol

8 Laws that make it easier for British people to buy property in Europe

9 Cleaner beaches and rivers throughout Europe

10 Four weeks statutory paid holiday a year for workers in Europe

11 No death penalty (it is incompatible with EU membership)

12 Competition from privatised companies means cheaper phone calls

13 Small EU bureaucracy (24,000 employees, fewer than the BBC)

14 Making the French eat British beef again

15 Minority languages, such as Irish, Welsh and Catalan recognised and protected

16 Europe is helping to save the planet with regulatory cuts in CO2

17 One currency from Bantry to Berlin (but not Britain)

18 Europe-wide travel bans on tyrants such as Zimbabwe's Robert Mugabe

19 The EU gives twice as much aid to developing countries as the United States

20 Strict safety standards for cars, buses and aircraft

21 Free medical help for tourists

22 EU peacekeepers operate in trouble spots throughout the world

23 Europe's single market has brought cheap flights to the masses, and new prosperity for forgotten cities

24 Introduction of pet passports

25 It now takes only 2 hrs 35 mins from London to Paris by Eurostar

26 Prospect of EU membership has forced modernisation on Turkey

27 Shopping without frontiers gives consumers more power to shape markets

28 Cheap travel and study programmes means greater mobility for Europe's youth

29 Food labelling is much clearer

30 No tiresome border checks (apart from in the UK)

31 Compensation for passengers suffering air delays

32 Strict ban on animal testing for the cosmetic industry

33 Greater protection for Europe's wildlife

34 Regional development fund has aided the deprived parts of Britain

35 European driving licences recognised across the EU

36 Britons now feel a lot less insular

37 Europe's bananas remain bent, despite sceptics' fears

38 Strong economic growth - greater than the United States last year

39 Single market has brought the best continental footballers to Britain

40 Human rights legislation has protected the rights of the individual

41 European Parliament provides democratic checks on all EU laws

42 EU gives more, not less, sovereignty to nation states

43 Maturing EU is a proper counterweight to the power of US and China

44 European immigration has boosted the British economy

45 Europeans are increasingly multilingual - except Britons, who are less so

46 Europe has set Britain an example how properly to fund a national health service

47 British restaurants now much more cosmopolitan

48 Total mobility for career professionals in Europe

49 Europe has revolutionised British attitudes to food and cooking

50 Lists like this drive the Eurosceptics mad

[Old Greg]

ah yes the bleating of the self righteous who feel they have the right to tell other people what to do.

We are not a part of the EU so we do not tell them what to do because we do not care as long as they do not do anything which affects us - and if they do we can address that as the issues arise.

So for example they start a trade embargo on the UK - we can resolve it politically or we can solve it by force and lets face it as part of the EU nothing is being solved politically so maybe you need a stick?

In much the same way as we do not get a say in the way India runs it's government but if they decided to do things which affect us we have the same options.

All we are really doing by leaving is giving ourselves the chance to not have to resolve things in an environment which is politically hostile to the UK - we give our selves other options.

Is that a direct quotation from Leave Campaign literature?

[scooterscot]

Folks really need to travel to the rest of the world before bemoaning the EU. I've seen much of the world and it's overcrowded, with crime (America! America!), poverty etc..

[sasguru]

So for example they start a trade embargo on the UK - we can resolve it politically or we can solve it by force and lets face it as part of the EU nothing is being solved politically so maybe you need a stick?
.

And here we have the intellectual level of the typical Brexiteer, thick as mince.
How do you intend to solve a trade dispute with the EU by force, you complete imbecile?

[sasguru]

Is that a direct quotation from Leave Campaign literature?

Stopit, I'm getting that unstoppable chuckle .....

[dx4100]

ah yes the bleating of the self righteous who feel they have the right to tell other people what to do.

As if the outers are any different

Yeah it really looks like the EU is a "failure" g

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