Reasons for considering a permie role

[sasguru]

Wow - a 5 figure salary!

Not for much longer - my pay review is next month and
any reasonable increase will take it over ...

Oh I see this thread is about interview strategy. The usual balls will do:

Want to be part of a team
Would like to contribute to strategic direction etc
Want more stability re. travelling etc

It's not a problem unless you have other permie jobs on your CV in which case make them contracts

[SallyAnne]

Accenture talk the talk when you're looking for permie work - you get suckered in by their giant wing of love, thinking thei're going to be your saviour and al that....but to be honest, there no such thing as a long term career with Accenture in my opinion...unless you're an utter ***** of a person.

If you are that kind of person already, then good luck to you, you'll fit righ in, but if you have the smallest shred of humanity in you, you just wont like it.

Always away from home, when you get to an office you're on your own - you have to fight for a desk, no one helps you, no one answers your questions, everyone tries to stab you in the back at every single opportunity.... its a really heartless place to work.
And unless you're a drone and hand over your soul with your signed contract...you wont last 2 minutes.

The money is ok, but you have to work 10 hour days for it, at least.

Then theres the arse licking...have you seen that episodeof friends when Chandler takes Monica to a work's do and they have to adopt fake laughs? Its like that all of the time. And it has to be, cause promotion is only offerred to those who kiss the butt.

I'd say avoid them like the plague, but I'd say avoid going permie again liek the plague too...so I'll just say good luck (and make sure to post on the board as SOON as you've had enough and go contracting again) )

[AlfredJPruffock]

Interesting points.

Therein lies the crux of the problem, the flip side to the secret of success, at least success as measured from a money standpoint.

Because, in an age of wealth manipulation and specialists, one must specialize in order to succeed.

Yet does happiness lie in either wealth or specialization?

To become successful, how much of oneself must an individual swallow to achieve the material objects--new car, fine home, nice clothes, spending cash and sizeable nest egg--that most people consider the outward signs of success?

Or does success lie in happiness, in satisfaction, in pride of honest workmanship?

Each reader must answer that question; I cannot.

Thoreau writes, in Economy:

"But men labor under a mistake.

The better part of the man is soon plowed into the soil for compost.

By a seeming fate, commonly called necessity, they are employed, as it says in an old book, laying up treasures which moth and rust will corrupt and thieves break through and steal.

It is a fool's life, as they will find when they get to the end of it, if not before."

[bogeyman]

Sick of agencies/job boards/fake jobs etc, I'm looking at a couple of permie opportunities. Having contracted for several years the inevitable question arises of "why are you now looking for a permanent role?".

Killer answers sought!

The ideal progression is:

permie -> contractor -> business owner -> rich business owner -> tycoon

Opt out and retire anywhere along that line that suits you.

Of course for most 'contractors' it is more like:

permie -> contractor -> permie -> contractor (rinse and repeat)

On reflection, I think the reasoning behind IR35 was basically right. Most so called 'independant IT consultants' are no more of a businessman than the dopey, non-aspirational permie they have sat opposite for the last 10 years.

If you're 40+ and still contracting then you're a failure.

[TwoWolves]

"If you're 45+ and still contracting then your a failure."

I'm almost there then, oops!

[wendigo100]

If you're 40+ and still contracting then you're a failure.

Oy! I'm doing very well thanks.

What about those who are 40+ and have never contracted?

[TwoWolves]

Oy! I'm doing very well thanks.

What about those who are 40+ and have never contracted?

- You don't look a day over 19 darling!

[Francko]

The ideal progression is:

permie -> contractor -> business owner -> rich business owner -> tycoon

Opt out and retire anywhere along that line that suits you.

Of course for most 'contractors' it is more like:

permie -> contractor -> permie -> contractor (rinse and repeat)

On reflection, I think the reasoning behind IR35 was basically right. Most so called 'independant IT consultants' are no more of a businessman than the dopey, non-aspirational permie they have sat opposite for the last 10 years.

If you're 40+ and still contracting then you're a failure.

Anybody who by the age of 50 doesn't own a new Micro$oft is clearly a failure.

The ideal progression should be:

Permie -> Contractor -> Berlusconi -> Richard Branson -> Bill Gates -> God -> Pure essence of the universe -> Threaded

[sasguru]

Anybody who by the age of 50 doesn't own a new Micro$oft is clearly a failure.

The ideal progression should be:

Permie -> Contractor -> Berlusconi -> Richard Branson -> Bill Gates -> God -> Pure essence of the universe -> Threaded

No you've got all wrong

Contractor ---> High-level permie ---> Marry rich woman and retire before 40

So far I'm on track ....

[bogeyman]

No you've got all wrong

Contractor ---> High-level permie ---> Marry rich woman and retire before 40

So far I'm on track ....

Good plan, but you forgot about:

--> expensive divorce --> bitterness --> poverty