Minimum wage

[Asterix]

Min = Max

I think you'll find also that the min wage is also the norm or maximum one. If left to the employer, I agree that the average would be a lot less but the best people would have got what they deserved, ie more. Now they are hampered by the egalitarian principle. Not forgetting that min wage doesn't apply to any cash-in-hand or black economy jobs which seem to have multiplied since the introduction of it. I think Gordon brought it to simplify PAYE/NIC at the bottom end of the market and also increase tax revenues, not for the benefit of the low-paid workers, n'est pas ?

[Dundeegeorge]

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Where is the legal definition of commissioned agents in the min wage legislation?

Employees are paid wages.
Agents earn commission on sales, and are not employees.
Are you just having a thick day today or has chico stolen your signon?

[DimPrawn]

Okay Dundee.

Great answer. That explains it all.

All any employer has to do is switch to peice work, call his staff "commissioned agents" and pay less than NMW and he's sooortteeeeeeed

Dreary me, this site really has become a playground for the boring and stupid.

[Dundeegeorge]

For goodness' sake it's not difficult

Okay Dundee.

Great answer. That explains it all.

All any employer has to do is switch to peice work, call his staff "commissioned agents" and pay less than NMW and he's sooortteeeeeeed

Dreary me, this site really has become a playground for the boring and stupid.

Piece-work implies an employee-employer relationship, and that would incur a minimum wage.
Sub-contracted work or commission on sales carries no such implication.

[_V_]

Commissioned based salaries: National Minimum Wage legislation also applies to commission workers, who qualify for a minimum wage of £5.05 per hour.

An example of how this should be applied in practice is given below:

An employee is paid a commission salary based on sales. If in a particular week he/she works for 20 hours and achieves 2 sales earning a commission of £60 per sale, he/she will have earnt £120 for 20 hours worked which equates to a rate of £6 per hour and so meets NMW requirements.

If, however, he/she works for 20 hours and achieves just 1 sale earning a commission of £60 per sale, he/she will have earnt just £60 for 20 hours worked which equates to a rate of £3 per hour which does not meet NMW requirements. In this case the employer MUST top up his commission by £41 to ensure that he/she has received the NMW for the 20 hours worked.

Similarly if he/she works 20 hours and achieves no sale the employer MUST pay for the 20 hours at £5.05 per hour with total pay being £101 for the 20 hours worked.

HTH

PS. As you can see this New Lie legislation makes it easy to run any business in the UK

[AtW]

It is likely that the only time they are considered "working" is when they collect money and deliver sold goods, which results in a commission thus covering min wage legislation. At other time however they are probably volunteers who do whatever they want in their own spare time, and they just happen to be able to receive promotional material from local dealer.

[Dundeegeorge]

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These people are not employees.

[AtW]

The stupid is right - for a change.

I am not suprised because I have observed similar pattern in the past.

Keep it up dundee.

[DimPrawn]

what’s in it for me?
with unlimited earnings and exciting incentives, your dream job could earn you a fortune!

be your own boss
the sky's the limit when you create your own business as a Representative or you can join us as a
self-employed Avon Sales Leader, managing a team of Representatives and earning commission on their sales.

do it your way as a Sales Leader
and turn your dream into reality. If you want unlimited earnings, flexible hours and to be your own boss, read on…

These people are not employees.

Well I hope the old lady who stuffs the Betterware catalogue through my door is running her Limited company correctly, paying her corp tax or self employed and paying Schedule E taxes by filing her quarterly returns etc and not ripping off El Gordo or bypassing NMW by being a "disguised" employee of Betterware.

Not.

[mcquiggd]

Just cut the catalogue in half and leave it ooutside your door on the day they are going to come and hassle you. After 5 or 6 tries, they eventually get the message.