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    #11
    Originally posted by Doggy Styles View Post
    I don't suppose anyone here could do a better job.
    I could.

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      #12
      Originally posted by SpontaneousOrder View Post
      I could.
      I bet.

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        #13
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        Drat, I've hit my Telegraph 20 article monthly limit

        Bastards!
        Work in the public sector? Read the IR35 FAQ here

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          #14
          Originally posted by Doggy Styles View Post
          I don't suppose anyone here could do a better job.
          Better maybe/maybe not

          In a more open and honest fashion without stealing money - more than likely yes!

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            #15
            Originally posted by petergriffin View Post
            The uneducated plebs put the blame on central banks and QE, while the real culprit is fractional reserve banking. Only 3% of new money is created by the Bank of England, the rest is created by banks out of nothing when they give loans.
            Rofl

            They weren't instituted to directly create money as that may even be against the constitutions of some governments, but to provide the stability required for FRB to take off. Furthermore, they actively - indirectly - purchase government debt and other 'assets'. They also provide lending to banks at low rates and act as a lender of last resort. So how do they escape blame exactly when they are required for FRB to be stable?

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              #16
              Originally posted by Zero Liability View Post
              Rofl

              They weren't instituted to directly create money as that may even be against the constitutions of some governments, but to provide the stability required for FRB to take off.
              That's not how money creation works. Central banks can only create currency, but banks can create money directly through the accounting they use when they make loans.

              One needs to understand the difference between money and currency. QE has only marginally increased the monetary base. If used properly, QE could have been a good tool, for example printing money and giving it directly to the people.

              Fractional reserve banking - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

              Because bank deposits are usually considered money in their own right, fractional-reserve banking permits the money supply to grow beyond the amount of the underlying reserves of base money originally created by the central bank.
              http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/publi...ion.pdf#page=1

              Commercial [i.e. high-street] banks create money, in the form of bank deposits, by making new loans. When a bank makes a loan, for example to someone taking out a mortgage to buy a house, it does not typically do so by giving them thousands of pounds worth of banknotes. Instead, it credits their bank account with a bank deposit of the size of the mortgage. At that moment, new money is created.
              <Insert idea here> will never be adopted because the politicians are in the pockets of the banks!

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                #17
                Originally posted by petergriffin View Post
                That's not how money creation works. Central banks can only create currency, but banks can create money directly through the accounting they use when they make loans.

                One needs to understand the difference between money and currency. QE has only marginally increased the monetary base. If used properly, QE could have been a good tool, for example printing money and giving it directly to the people.

                Fractional reserve banking - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

                http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/publi...ion.pdf#page=1
                If lending creates credit (which in aggregate over time amounts to money), and QE is instituted to (among other things) facilitate lending, then what's your point?

                Plus - from the BoE website:

                Quantitative easing (QE) is an unconventional form of monetary policy where a Central Bank creates new money electronically to buy financial assets, like government bonds.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by Zero Liability View Post
                  They also provide lending to banks at low rates
                  Plus they announce that they are going to buy a tulip tonne of bonds, the banks then sell theirs at a higher than normal price (because everyone knows there's a definite market now it's been announced) - meanwhile the government issues more bonds which the banks then buy again. I.e. free money.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by OwlHoot View Post
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                    Drat, I've hit my Telegraph 20 article monthly limit

                    Bastards!
                    Open it in a private tab...

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by petergriffin View Post
                      That's not how money creation works. Central banks can only create currency, but banks can create money directly through the accounting they use when they make loans.

                      One needs to understand the difference between money and currency. QE has only marginally increased the monetary base. If used properly, QE could have been a good tool, for example printing money and giving it directly to the people.

                      Fractional reserve banking - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

                      http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/publi...ion.pdf#page=1
                      Right and as I said, they don't directly create money, because it'd be too open to abuse and far too obvious.
                      It's still open to abuse now but obvious it is not. Nothing I mentioned requires direct money creation barring asset purchases, and even those are done via the intermediation of private banks.

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