Young Western European Muslims in ISIS; what is it all about?

[Troll]

we have a large muslim population that isn't going to disappear

First point would be to stop any further muslim immigration to Europe
Then perhaps a new Reconquista for Europe, they came and they can go - a failed policy of sourcing cheap labour

[Mich the Tester]

First point would be to stop any further muslim immigration to Europe

That wouldn't make any difference to second and third generation people who have grown up here in Europe.

Oh, and HOW would you stop muslim immigration? Ask people at the borders 'are you a muslim?'

[EternalOptimist]

One of the paradoxes is that they are so dependant upon the things they hate so much. They are totally reliant upon the products of western industrialism, i think they would hate having to live without facebook or twitter. They probably invented the 'selfie'. IS probably stands for Islamist selfies
Theres a bit of cognitive dissonance going on I think

[Mich the Tester]

Theres a bit of cognitive dissonance going on I think

That's a bit of an understatement.

[Mich the Tester]

I've often wondered if part of it is being jealous of the decadence and moral depravity which they claim to hate. They grow up here and see fellow teenagers experiencing romance, alcohol, and generally enjoying themselves, while they're forced to live a much stricter lifestyle. It would piss me off anyway, but obviously there's still a big jump from being a frustrated teenager to a terrorist.

But what are ISIS holding these two 21 year old Italian aid workers for? Coffee? Chats about renaissance art? Protecting their female dignity? Why are there stories coming out of Iraq of ISIS sexually abusing Yazidis, including young boys?

[Paddy]

They have forgotten that the reason the original came to Europe was to escape oppresion, violence and poverty and to start a new way of life.

A way of life which provided free education and a safe place to raise your kids, a place where in many places you were welcomed as part of the comunity and the local folks did their best to help you integrate and also to try to understand your customs as a way of respect.

What concerns me is that there will be a huge backlash from the public and many many innocents muslims will die because of the few muppets who never understood who are what they were and let themselves be lead by religious nutters.

They did come to Europe to escape oppression, violence and poverty, they left their own country because their extremism was not tolerated in their home county. The UK government were daft enough to accept them. The Boarder Agency too naive and believed their hard luck stories. In their home country, they are told to go to the UK and reap the benefits of Europe because it is rightly theirs.

[EternalOptimist]

They are holding them because they can. It's lawless and they have the power

[original PM]

Just been thinking and really it is nothing to do with Islam is it.

The 'selling point' to many of these people is
1) you get a gun
2) You do not have to do a 9 to 5 job
3) You can rape as many people as you want
4) when you die you get 4 and 20 virgins

All you have to do is stay loyal to the crew

In reality it is no different from recruiting gang members in America (except for number 4)

[Mich the Tester]

They did come to Europe to escape oppression, violence and poverty, they left their own country because their extremism was not tolerated in their home county. The UK government were daft enough to accept them. The Boarder Agency too naive and believed their hard luck stories. In their home country, they are told to go to the UK and reap the benefits of Europe because it is rightly theirs.

But we're talking about people who are the descendants of immigrants from 30 or 40 years ago before the 'border agency' even existed and well before the immigration laws were tightened up.

This is not, for the most part, about recent immigrants; it's about people who grew up in western Europe as children or grandchildren of immigrants who actually didn't cause much trouble.

[Bunk]

But what are ISIS holding these two 21 year old Italian aid workers for? Coffee? Chats about renaissance art? Protecting their female dignity? Why are there stories coming out of Iraq of ISIS sexually abusing Yazidis, including young boys?

That's the problem with repression. It often causes even more extreme behaviour than that which they prohibit. Look at the Catholic church for example.