Question

[Cowboy Bob]

So do I

[MarillionFan]

I agree with Paul.

[Lucifer Box]

I agree with MarillionFan.

[Denny]

Hi,
Why is the emphasis on the "time sheets"; is that only to record how many days have been worked?
Also, we all know projects tend to be longer than planned, so if I sign a 4 month contract and I realize that it needed 8 six months, is then when I need to start working 14 hours or have you frequently had to change scope/duration of the contracts?
thanks for the input.

You sound like a personal services contractor to me - a disguised employee, in other words.

You get paid for the work, not the time. OK you may have agreed a daily fee but that is still for work on the Schedule of Works not for time spent on the job.

If you have a B2B contract then, in theory, you should be able to put some of those extra hours into a weekend and charge an extra day. I do with no problems at all. Provided your deadlines are met, it doesn't matter what days of the week you work on.

[Denny]

I agree with me.

[Diestl]

You sound like a personal services contractor to me - a disguised employee, in other words.

You get paid for the work, not the time. OK you may have agreed a daily fee but that is still for work on the Schedule of Works not for time spent on the job.

If you have a B2B contract then, in theory, you should be able to put some of those extra hours into a weekend and charge an extra day. I do with no problems at all. Provided your deadlines are met, it doesn't matter what days of the week you work on.

Bollocks, you get paid at the daily rate for each day you work. Ir35 is dead you don't need to worry about this.

[Ruprect]

I get paid a daily rate which is stipulated as 'not less than 8 hours'. I interpret this as '8 hours'. Anyone who has a similar arrangement and works longer is either (a) a schmuck;or (b) has no life.

HTH

[oraclesmith]

I disagree you back, since I'm not paid to deliver "things", I'm paid to deliver objectives. How I do it and how many hours a day I take is immaterial, as long as it is delivered on time (or preferably a bit early). Hence I charge a Professional Working Day and won't be having anything to do with hours spent or overtime - if I need overtime, I'm doing it wrong and it's my problem...

OK, I concede that we need to find out about more about Try-one's proposed structure. If he/she is a limited company with a B2B contract outside IR35, then yes you're right and I'm wrong.

However, there are lots of contractors who are self-employed (not limited co.) and/or inside IR35 and/or use an umbrella or even take up time-limited temporary employment contracts, in which case they may well need to have hours stated in their contract because they perform a regular service and do not have a defined set of deliverables to achieve. They aren't worried about staying outside IR35 because they are already within it, so the only control they have over the amount of work they do is to specify hours.

[Denny]

Bollocks, you get paid at the daily rate for each day you work. Ir35 is dead you don't need to worry about this.

I give up

[VectraMan]

I get paid a daily rate which is stipulated as 'not less than 8 hours'. I interpret this as '8 hours'. Anyone who has a similar arrangement and works longer is either (a) a schmuck;or (b) has no life.

Mine says I get paid half a day if less than 4 hours, the full day if between 4 and 8 hours, and still a full day if more than 8 hours. So technically I only need to do 4 hours and 1 second per day and I get paid the full amount, though clearly the client wouldn't be happy with me for doing that.But also there's absolutely nothing to suggest I'm under any obligation to do "overtime".

I managed to do one job where I was paid a fixed amount for a fixed amount of work, regardless of hours, so completely IR35 safe and a much better way of working (especially as I did it at home and just visited the client on a couple of occasions). However I've mostly been doing the traditional contractor thing of working on site for x per hour (or x per day), which always strikes me as fundamentally at odds with what we tell ourselves we are, and not really in the interests of client or contrator. I'm currently in a 6 month contract to do a 6 month project, but if it's not done on time there's nothing to stop me walking out mid function (or mid statement) on the last day. If I'd managed to work out a fixed fee for the project, I probably could have worked all hours to get it done in 2-3 months, which would have been great for the client, but as it is it's really not in my interests to work hard. This isn't that forward thinking a company though.