Agency requesting passport / references etc with no concrete job interview lined up !

[Wanderer]

In addition, you are employed by your company or umbrella - not by the client, and not by my agency - the agency can make it a condition of the contract between the two companies, to supply an individual that is opted out I believe (don't quote me - i'm not certain of this!)

You should probably check with your legal team and see what they say, Regulation 32 (9) refers to this situation.

If you work for a big outsourcing business for example, as a permanent employee, you are subcontracted out in exactly the same way as your limited company employs you in a contract situation. It all seems like a vicious circle to me, because there has to be one rule for all - afterall, your Fujitsu, IBM, CapGem, type organisations, are ultimately just bigger versions of your limited companies surely??? In which case, you are opted in by being a limited company employee.....??

I think I might have just confused myself........

Yes, you have.

Have a read of the regulations - they protect self employed workers and workers who supply their services through a one man LTD company.

[Wodewick]

If I'm taking a reference for you, I want to take one from someone who you've worked for, not the spotty oik who administers your contract.....

I thought your argument was that Agents provided some added value to the mix and built good relationships with contractors so they could market their skills etc?

On a lighter note

(don't quote me - i'm not certain of this!)

I think I might have just confused myself........

Honesty rears its head!

[The Agents View]

I thought your argument was that Agents provided some added value to the mix and built good relationships with contractors so they could market their skills etc?

You mis-understand. The people we get given as referees, work for the competition. They are therefore spotty oiks, who do nothing other than administer contracts.

I am a specialist in what I do, and therefore add value to the supply chain.

It doesn't matter if that is the reality of the situation, if they work for the competition, they are spotty oiked contract administrator. Otherwise, how on earth would I sell my "consultative value"

My god I think I'm going native......


With regards to your "lighter note" - I'm nothing if not honest. (this is not a prompt for anyone to reply with "you're nothing") <sigh>

[thunderlizard]

If you work for a big outsourcing business for example, as a permanent employee, you are subcontracted out in exactly the same way as your limited company employs you in a contract situation.

The opt in then, is automatic, unfortunately the only company you can sue for breach of these rights, is your own limited company.

It all seems like a vicious circle to me, because there has to be one rule for all - afterall, your Fujitsu, IBM, CapGem, type organisations, are ultimately just bigger versions of your limited companies surely??? In which case, you are opted in by being a limited company employee.....??

I think I might have just confused myself........

You are basically right: if Fujitsu did seek work via an agency, then the agency regulations would apply, and Fujitsu (as the "work-seeker") and its employees would be covered by the regulations unless they opted out of them. There's nothing in the regulations about the size of the work-seeker. However, since no agent in the country (except yourself) seems to be able to cope with the concept that a contractor's company might have more than one person working for it, agents would never actually hire Fujitsu (or they'd end up photocopying 30,000 passports). Because the agency regulations only apply to agencies (hence their name), the situation never arises.

[SueEllen]

You mis-understand. The people we get given as referees, work for the competition. They are therefore spotty oiks, who do nothing other than administer contracts.

I am a specialist in what I do, and therefore add value to the supply chain.

And a lot of them would argue what you do.

It doesn't matter if that is the reality of the situation, if they work for the competition, they are spotty oiked contract administrator. Otherwise, how on earth would I sell my "consultative value"

My god I think I'm going native......

I think you are.

With regards to your "lighter note" - I'm nothing if not honest. (this is not a prompt for anyone to reply with "you're nothing") <sigh>

They all say that.

I can count the number of honest agents I've met on two fingers. And that's because they don't work in the area I work in so have no professional dealings with them.

[The Agents View]

And a lot of them would argue what you do.


I think you are.


They all say that.

I can count the number of honest agents I've met on two fingers. And that's because they don't work in the area I work in so have no professional dealings with them.

I don't doubt that to be fair.

I don't have any professional dealings with you as far as I know. I think you guys sometimes need to remember is that it's not necessarily dishonesty all of the time - rather differing agendas, or perhaps agendas which will never work in harmony.