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    #11
    Here is the first Tax advice e-mail I had recieved.

    Your tax obligations are determined by your tax residence status, your employment status and the UK:Belgian double tax treaty.

    Because you have not left the UK for a continuous contract of employment (or self employment) lasting a period that covers a complete tax year UK HMRC will not initially regard you as UK non-resident. This is significant in that, if you are non-resident, your earnings from work undertaken overseas would not be taxed in the UK but only in the country where the work is performed.

    If you secure continuation contracts that cause you to work for X beyond 5 April 2008 there is a strong probability that HMRC would retrospectively accept a N/R claim and it is possible that they would also accept the concessional split year basis to apply this from 4 September 2006.

    If your earnings are not liable to UK tax they will be liable to Belgian tax being the territory where the services were performed.

    However at present this is not clear. Your employment with XX, in the last tax year 2006/07, was for less than 183 days and your direct employment with X in the current tax year is also contracted for less than 183 days. Under the terms of the Double Tax Treaty the employment income of a non-resident worker is only taxable in the country where the duties are undertaken where the contract exceeds 183 days. Therefore at present you would seem to be still subject to UK tax with a revision of that status dependent on future events.

    A further complication is your employment status. Clearly I am not aware of all the relevant factors relating to your contract: we may need to explore this further? However , from the terms of the contract, despite the title of 'consultant', I consider that your contract is essentially one of short term employment. And that would normally impose an obligation on the 'employer' to deduct tax and social payments.

    We could supply details to the UK HMRC and seek a ruling ( which we might then accept or appeal). However I would advise that we consider your employment status a little further and also consider the likelihood of your securing an extension of your contract - which under the DTT would then give primary taxing rights to Belgium. In short I think it better to wait and see which jurisdiction applies rather than start down one course and then face conflicting demands from another tax body: I am sure that you can imagine the possible bureaucratic nightmares!

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      #12
      You say you have no Ltd. this is good. You are not subject to IR35 if you do not have an intermediary (your Ltd).

      If you have not gone over the 183 day rule then you are subject to UK tax. The Belgian tax man will accept this. HOWEVER. The 183 day rule is in any 12 month period not any tax year (happy to be corrected but that is my understanding). This could mean that you are now at least dual if not Belgian tax resident.

      Another poster says Belgium is a tax efficient country and he is right but it has been my experience that you have to set up early to take advantage. Once you are in you can not change your mode.
      If there are ways round it then get the advice and act on it.
      The advice from ITECS and others you received was there for a reason!!!

      It is complicated. Your employment status could help if you end up Belgian taxed. If your contract makes you an employee then the client will be liable for NI etc (basically IR35 lands on the client in Belgium).

      I am not qualified to give this advice.
      Last edited by The Lone Gunman; 11 April 2008, 09:35.
      I am not qualified to give the above advice!

      The original point and click interface by
      Smith and Wesson.

      Step back, have a think and adjust my own own attitude from time to time

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        #13
        Originally posted by dave_m13 View Post
        Hi Nodric

        I do not think I can actually PM you, to new to the website I think.

        <mod note>Email the admin using the contact form as he can upgrade your account</mod note>

        Kind Regards
        Dave
        I've email the Admin so once upgraded I'll send you a PM.
        I am not an expert, just someone who has experienced things first hand. If you need expert advice then seek out a qualified expert. My opinions are just that, my opinions. I could be wrong, and laws change, so trust nothing I say

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          #14
          Originally posted by dave_m13 View Post
          Hi Nodric

          I do not think I can actually PM you, to new to the website I think.

          <mod note>Email the admin using the contact form as he can upgrade your account</mod note>

          Kind Regards
          Dave
          I can now receive email and if you email the admin via contact us they will life the restrictions so you can contact me etc
          I am not an expert, just someone who has experienced things first hand. If you need expert advice then seek out a qualified expert. My opinions are just that, my opinions. I could be wrong, and laws change, so trust nothing I say

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            #15
            Hi

            I am waiting for admin to give me PM ability

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              #16
              Originally posted by nodric View Post
              I can now receive email and if you email the admin via contact us they will life the restrictions so you can contact me etc
              PM has been sent

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                #17
                Hi,

                I am in a similar situation and would gladly recieve some advice. I have been working in Belgium, via ITECS for 7 months now. I realise now that the taxes I have been paying are not sufficient and can expect a bill at the end of the year.
                I am looking at alternate solutions and think a UK Ltd is the best way for me but am not sure how Limosa impacts me. I work 2-3 days a week in Belgium and the rest in the UK.

                Any (helpful) advice would be great.

                Thanks

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                  #18
                  Me too

                  Hi
                  I am thinking of working in Belgium and would love some helpful advice.

                  Thanks

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by redelladad View Post
                    Hi,

                    I am in a similar situation and would gladly recieve some advice. I have been working in Belgium, via ITECS for 7 months now. I realise now that the taxes I have been paying are not sufficient and can expect a bill at the end of the year.
                    I am looking at alternate solutions and think a UK Ltd is the best way for me but am not sure how Limosa impacts me. I work 2-3 days a week in Belgium and the rest in the UK.

                    Any (helpful) advice would be great.

                    Thanks
                    Limosa: You should have done this by now. It has no impact other than registering as a foreign worker in Belgium.

                    Working as a UK Ltd is not recomended if you are going over the 183 working days or if the Le Hector can prove that you run your company from where ever you are.
                    Stick with ITECS and pay the bill at the end of the year, it shouldnt be much (and may be nothing) and they will have explained all this too you at the start. Whether you were listening or not is another question.

                    If you want to change management companies then look up Pearl Systems.

                    Stevie: Do some research then come back with a specific question. I assume you can wipe your own arse?
                    I am not qualified to give the above advice!

                    The original point and click interface by
                    Smith and Wesson.

                    Step back, have a think and adjust my own own attitude from time to time

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
                      Stevie: Do some research then come back with a specific question. I assume you can wipe your own arse?
                      I hope you are not offering if the answer is no

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