Pathway IT Resourcing

[senditback]

Your wife obviously got nobbed by an agent then got left high and dry. Is this where the bitterness comes from?

[Ardesco]

Always one that has to take it to far isn't there...

Come back when you have progressed through puberty.

[Coding4FUN]

Well i have not yet become bitter as i have not yet had the need. 5 Contracts under the belt and hopefully more to come. I think my take on things at the end of the day is that i dont care what they do as long as they get me the rate i want and i keep getting jobs.

As i`ve said in previous posts, as long as i'm happy with what i get paid i will stay in a role. What an agent agrees with a client in a sence is non of my business.

Im sure this will beget a torrent of people's views however " tell them what you are worth! if you get, it happy days, if you dont DONT TAKE THE JOB!"

[senditback]

Always one that has to take it to far isn't there...

Come back when you have progressed through puberty.

That was just banter, no offence intended. Apologies if I touched a nerve

[Coding4FUN]

Not so much bitter, just used to them being reffered to as scum evey time I talk to them (e.g. "who was that on the phone?" "Scum." "Oh OK.")

If you have been affected by any of the issues raised in this thread please feel free to call the adultery helpline on 0800 138 1111. Calls wil be charged at 30p/pm.

Remember there are always people who will listen.....

[senditback]

ha ha ha

[Cowboy Bob]

Surely it's Agent -> Scum

One of my most memorable moments is meeting and old childhood freind at a wedding, he was with his current girlfriend and I was with my wife.

He introduced his girlfreind and my wife asked her what she did for a living. She replied "Recruitment Consultant", to which my wife replied "Oh, you mean scum". The look on her face was priceless, as was the look on my wife's face as she realised what she had said and apologised profusely.

Interestingly enough my brother's girlfriend works for an agency (that isn't Summer, Autumn or Winter) and I've referred to her many times as a pimp without thinking. As a pimp though, she has a thick skin and just laughs it off.

[scriptfromscratch]

just had a call from one of these guys at Pathway . . . its 14.26 on a Saturday! I told him he should go home, then he booked me in for an interview on Monday. ruined my weekend.

[barely_pointless]

ah, I thought it was just me, (bear in mind i'm in oz, and I did look at a "prospect" in the UK last year - a very lucrative 700+GBP a day for "old rope contract", s'ok to discuss as it's dead now), but these clowns send me an email about once a week for work in the Thames Valley, or joyous and pork free Frankfurt (which I said central london only) and it's all very interesting........

regarding rates, I always tell new contractors to try and punch higher than their worth, because there is nothing worse than doing a job and thinking you've been taken for a ride (I speak from experience)

Here's the actual deal from my recent experience in Sydney, I generally float between SBA and Specialist (dan't be arsed with PM work as it involves licking too much ) all rates in aussie dollars or peso's if you wish.

Junior Developer (SQL, warehousing, oracle, teradata) 500+
Senior Developer (as above) 600+
BA( non tech)(varies 450 - 550)
BA(Tech, ie you can write sql and are an ex developer) 600 odd
Senior BA (tech, ie you can code and bullshi**) 650-750
Project Manager (700 + up to 900)

Specialist BA/Tech Consultant(i.e Oracle apps) 800+ a day.

At the moment if you know datastage , informatica or any other potion conjurering data transformation kit, it's about 800 a day give or take.


Agency margins vary, some are like your old computer futures barrow boys and try and take 20-30%, the more professional ones will generally take 10-15% and pay every two weeks (not negotiable)

[tim123]

I'm in the wrong job.

Junior developer @ 500+! Are you sure you're not talking aussie dollars?

SQL can't be that hard can it? Coding is coding is coding. It the logical understanding you need to do the job properly, not some language syntax.

I'm a senior embedded bod. This requires normal C programming, but pretty in depth understand of the hardware is required (which not a lot have IME).
The client's paying 330. This is a bit low, but not out of the ball park.

I got the agent down to a 15% margin, I think that this is the lowest that I've ever achieved. Even the guys that I recognise as being the 'honest' ones, reckon that they can't go below 17.5% for the initial period.

Perhaps this is why I have problems with these (S3) guys. For a client paying 360 the difference between 20 and 30% takes the rate into the realms where I could get more as a perm. But if the client's paying 600, (a) you're still going to get a decent rate, (b) the fixed costs (office overheads) of placing someone are going to be a much lower percentage of the total.

Are there really clients out there paying 600 for basic code cutters?

How do I get one of these jobs?

tim