Brexit: Full UK-EU trade deal 'impossible' by deadline - von der Leyen

[tomtomagain]

So we're not leaving at the end of January then?

Yes, in January the UK leaves the European Union and enters the "transition".

The transition means everything practically remains the same. i.e. still in the single market, still in the custom union, still have freedom of movement.

There are some changes that might be of interest specifically to you :

Security cooperation will continue during the transition period; the UK will continue to have access to EU mechanisms (like Europol) and databases; but some EU countries like Germany cannot extradite their citizens under the European Arrest Warrant to non-member states and therefore will not be able to extradite them to the UK.

So if you want to commit a crime in Scotland ... now is your best opportunity before an extradition treaty is agreed.

[BR14]

So if you want to commit a crime in Scotland ... now is your best opportunity before an extradition treaty is agreed.

why do you think he's living in the glorious fatherland ?

[tomtomagain]

why do you think he's living in the glorious fatherland ?

The sausage?

[darmstadt]

Yeah yeah they also said there would be no WA renegotiation with Boris!

And as we know, he secured a deal completely different and totally renegotiated from May's

The EU will cave in due course... December 2020 I think

You might want to have a look at May's first attempt at a deal and that of Johnson's deal and see how many differences you can spot. They are pretty much one and the same and it's a deal that Johnson voted against....

[BR14]

The sausage?

no, that's his wurst nightmare

[tomtomagain]

You might want to have a look at May's first attempt at a deal and that of Johnson's deal and see how many differences you can spot. They are pretty much one and the same and it's a deal that Johnson voted against....

Indeed. It's essentially the same deal.

The "deal" is only the arrangement to leave and not the future trading relationship. It's a deal that allows the UK to leave in an orderly way and commence negotiating the FTR.

The deal is : UK leaves, everything continues for as-is for about year ( with options to extend by a further 2 ) and in return the UK pays some money.

So why all the drama? Well the ERG and Tory right were convinced that May would then negotiate a very, very soft FTR. Remaining in the customs union/single market etc. And they did not want that.

Borris is not going down that route. And if he changes his mind and decides to? Well, there's F*all the ERG can do about it.


But the biggest take-away from this whole episode is the complete and utter shambles that Labour, the DUP, the SNP & Lib Dems made of the whole situation. They all catastrophically misjudged it. The Tories were on the ropes, completely split, there for the taking.

If the Lib/SNP/Lab/DUP had pushed May over the line, the Tories would have been finished, they could then have implemented a very-very-soft BREXIT. The Tories would have been eviscerated.

Instead they tried to play clever and in doing so broke their manifesto commitments to "Respect the result of the referendum" and the result?

The Liberals can all fit into one min-van, Labour are facing an existential crisis ( one that Ms Wrong-Daily won't be able to get them out of ) and the SNP and DUP have been relegated to the role of spectators, whining from the side-lines.

I heard a Labour politician going on about how it was right that they had "taken no-deal off the table" ..... complete rubbish. They have not taken "No-deal" off the table. In fact, it's very much still on the table. They achieved nothing except their own electoral defeat.

[scooterscot]

why do you think he's living in the glorious fatherland ?

How do you know it's glorious?

[scooterscot]

Yes, in January the UK leaves the European Union and enters the "transition".

The transition means everything practically remains the same. i.e. still in the single market, still in the custom union, still have freedom of movement.

So you're not leaving then....

Gwd people, make up your minds. If everything is the same from one day to the next, nothing changes, then nothing has changed and we're remaining as before then it's the same, isn't it?

[BR14]

How do you know it's glorious?

'cos you keep on telling us.
at length.
ad nauseam.

hth

[tomtomagain]

So you're not leaving then....

Gwd people, make up your minds. If everything is the same from one day to the next, nothing changes, then nothing has changed and we're remaining as before then it's the same, isn't it?

No. Because the UK has left the EU. So it's not the same.

Practically it just looks the same for the next 11 months.

Clear now?