Nissan halts investment plans

[sasguru]

The Russian government (and their useful idiots) are simply reaping what they have sown.

FTFY.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factch...ment-in-brexit
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-senate-report
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia...xit_referendum
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.2992b7fb0c76

[meridian]

He did, he never slagged Boris and Nige off, he came out with all these warnings, and then was slagged off himself. Cameron ran a good campaign.

People were warned they voted for Brexit and slagged off all the politicians, they got their Brexit and they reap what they sow.

Even I’m rolling my eyes at that one....

[sasguru]

Even I’m rolling my eyes at that one....

Me too. It was a dire campaign. Couldn't compete with all the Russian money and fake bots bombarding peoples Facebook feeds.

[LondonManc]

He did, he never slagged Boris and Nige off, he came out with all these warnings, and then was slagged off himself. Cameron ran a good campaign.

People were warned they voted for Brexit and slagged off all the politicians, they got their Brexit and they reap what they sow.

Clearly he didn't or we wouldn't be here now.

Nor did the mainsteam media present any significant numbers other than some number Nigel painted on a bus that his 1 MP couldn't have pushed through anyway. All Russia's fault

[sasguru]

There is a lot of evidence that there was a large Russian involvement in Brexit (and Trump's election).
The question Brexiters need to ask is why is that?
Do the Russians love British and Americans so much that they wanted them to make the right decision?
Or did they calculate that both those outcomes (Brexit and Trump) would damage their respective societies?

[meridian]

Me too. It was a dire campaign. Couldn't compete with all the Russian money and fake bots bombarding peoples Facebook feeds.

Can’t even say that Cameron at least ran an honest campaign. His party had spent so many years letting the media run anti-EU stories (especially on immigration / FoM) that when it came time for the referendum they’d snookered themselves and couldn’t run a positive campaign without admitting that everything beforehand was lies.

“Project Fear” was all they had left, and it backfired on them.

[sasguru]

Can’t even say that Cameron at least ran an honest campaign. His party had spent so many years letting the media run anti-EU stories (especially on immigration / FoM) that when it came time for the referendum they’d snookered themselves and couldn’t run a positive campaign without admitting that everything beforehand was lies.

“Project Fear” was all they had left, and it backfired on them.

Agreed. I cringed with some of the stuff they came out with at the time. Mind you the whole atmosphere was toxic. The leave claims were so outlandish and outrageous that Remain felt they had to respond in kind.

[Eirikur]

There is a lot of evidence that there was a large Russian involvement in Brexit (and Trump's election).
The question Brexiters need to ask is why is that?
Do the Russians love British and Americans so much that they wanted them to make the right decision?
Or did they calculate that both those outcomes (Brexit and Trump) would damage their respective societies?

Putin's goals are
1. destabilize EU by supporting brexit and creating refugee streams by bombing civilians in Syria, give money to extreme left and right in EU countries and create loads of fake news stories using their news outlet such as RT and Sputnik
2. Destabilize western relationships, Trump is extremely helpful
3. get sanctions lifted on illegally invading Ukraine (Italy and Hungary are already willing to do this)
4. Invade rest of Ukraine, restore Russian influence and create vassal states

[meridian]

Agreed. I cringed with some of the stuff they came out with at the time. Mind you the whole atmosphere was toxic. The leave claims were so outlandish and outrageous that Remain felt they had to respond in kind.

This is true. And it’s carried on since then - both Tories and Labour are still on about being in ‘a’ single market and no FoM without any recognition of the four indivisible pillars, Northern Ireland will be solved by non-existent tech, Father Jack off Wetherspoons is still claiming that the EU applies tariffs on Chilean wine, etc.

Everyone is saying “well, both sides lied”. The difference is that the Remain lies, if they don’t come true, don’t have any impact. Sorry guys, no crash. If the Leave lies don’t come true (same deal as we currently have, etc) then there’s an impact.

[LondonManc]

There is a lot of evidence that there was a large Russian involvement in Brexit (and Trump's election).
The question Brexiters need to ask is why is that?
Do the Russians love British and Americans so much that they wanted them to make the right decision?
Or did they calculate that both those outcomes (Brexit and Trump) would damage their respective societies?

Or simply allow them to re-establish the Eastern Bloc?