BN66 - the road to Judicial Review

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Rabinder Singh

Hmm interesting one. See page 16. Is Hector's guy this bloke? :
http://www.matrixlaw.co.uk/WhoWeAre_...erSinghQC.aspx

It's a little surprising, as he seems to have a record of doing the Government over and holding them to account.

Yes it is HMRC's brief. He has attended all the hearings so far includung the PwC/Shiner one. He's ok, he's just on the wrong side this time

[DonkeyRhubarb]

Response to Alan Jones

(1) Please note that there are posters/"imposters" out there [maybe within the normal BN66 crowd] who are trying to incite other forum users against me.

(A) Retrospective tax legislation is wrong.

(B) The scheme that was closed did not work and HMRC could have successfully challenged it (In fact i have it in "black and white" that if HMRC lose the JR they will challenge the scheme through the "proper route")

(C) Suo Motu settlement was done in best interests of clients based on the facts available at the time. To answer cynics who say clients "were sold down the river". It would have been the easiest "sell" to carry on and continue to take fees from them (just as other scheme promoters did).

(C) Anyone who joined the scheme post 2003 should have been made aware that there were opinions from Tax Counsel that said the scheme did not work in the same way that there were opinions that said it did.

(D) I am one of the few people who can genuinely feel what you guys are going through. I suffer from Bi-polar disorder and will have to take medication for the rest of my life. However I am not mental/insane. I have suffered divorce. I have a mentally handicapped daughter. I have lived with prospect of bankruptcy for over 8 years

(e) If you lose JR there still is a way to get round the retrospective element. See bn66.co.uk (this site has nothing to do with me).

(1) I presume you are referring to ir35amnesia who has been responsible for most of the incitement you speak of?

(A) I can't disagree with you on that score.

(B) It can't be said to work/not work until it has been tested in court. If HMRC want to take us to the Commissioners after they've lost the JR then that's up to them. However, I think they might have a bit of explaining to do in Parliament first for introducing legislation which breaches the Human Rights Act.

(C) What about the legal action taken by MTM? That didn't have any bearing on the closure of Suo Motu then?

(C) As far as I'm aware, Montpelier had no such conflicting opinions, and they continued to stand behind the efficacy of the scheme.

(D) I can fully empathise with that. I have spoken to people who have even used the "s" word. I don't like to repeat the word itself for fear of tempting fate.

(E) I'm afraid I don't accept that bn66.co.uk has nothing to do with you. I have heard from someone who has spoken to you about the "solution". They even showed me a copy of a Barrister's opinion that you sought in relation to it.

[Toocan]

This is John Galt

Please note that there are posters/"imposters" out there [maybe within the normal BN66 crowd] who are trying to incite other forum users against me.

I have been reading threads on this website since 2000.

My take/opinion on BN66 is very simple

(A) Retrospective tax legislation is wrong.

(B) The scheme that was closed did not work and HMRC could have successfully challenged it (In fact i have it in "black and white" that if HMRC lose the JR they will challenge the scheme through the "proper route")

(C) Suo Motu settlement was done in best interests of clients based on the facts available at the time. To answer cynics who say clients "were sold down the river". It would have been the easiest "sell" to carry on and continue to take fees from them (just as other scheme promoters did).

(C) Anyone who joined the scheme post 2003 should have been made aware that there were opinions from Tax Counsel that said the scheme did not work in the same way that there were opinions that said it did.

(D) I am one of the few people who can genuinely feel what you guys are going through. I suffer from Bi-polar disorder and will have to take medication for the rest of my life. However I am not mental/insane. I have suffered divorce. I have a mentally handicapped daughter. I have lived with prospect of bankruptcy for over 8 years

(e) If you lose JR there still is a way to get round the retrospective element. See bn66.co.uk (this site has nothing to do with me).

Wishing you all a Merry Xmas and a prosperous and peaceful new year.

Regards

“I am a trader. I earn what I get in trade for what I produce. I ask for nothing more or nothing less than what I earn. That is justice. I don't force anyone to trade with me; I only trade for mutual benefit. Force is the great evil that has no place in a rational world. One may never force another human to act against his/her judgment. If you deny a man's right to Reason, you must also deny your right to your own judgment. Yet you have allowed your world to be run by means of force, by men who claim that fear and joy are equal incentives, but that fear and force are more practical.”

Hello Alan and thank you for unmasking. As I said in a previous post the condition from which you suffer is a difficult one and I can only sympathise. Many people work through it by various means and it can even be the seeds of genius – for example, Stephen Fry.

I have read the “black and white” opinion (from David Milne, I assume) that you received and which was on your website until a few days ago. It has also been explained why it did not apply. I wonder if you would be good enough to tell us what exactly David Milne was instructed to do? That document has been lacking thus far.

The “solution” offered on the bn66.co.uk website should have produced results by now – and yet none have been forthcoming. It is my understanding that HMRC have simply not provided a substantial reply to the letters they have been sent. How should we interpret that?

There was, of course, much more to the closure of your scheme than what has been revealed – and I don’t want to bring back what must have been a very stressful time – but I hope if you have anything that may be assistance that you will find a way to communicate it without breaking any covenants that may once have bound you.

Merry Christmas to you too

[Richard Splash]

Originally Posted by bn66sceptic View Post
I have studied the survey of alleged hardship on the JCHR website and I have to say it all sounds a bit far fetched to me. Are marriages really breaking up, are people really suffering from depression? Hmmm, call me a sceptic and a cynic but I don’t buy it and neither will the rest of joe public.

Even if I suspend my disbelief for one moment and accept as fact that people are facing bankruptcy, losing their homes then isn’t this totally self-inflicted?

Surely if people were foolish enough to spend the money when HMRC were still carrying out enquiries, then aren’t they alone responsible for bringing this suffering on their families?

Well, FYI I have two friend in the scheme, One has put his house on the market just in case things go wrong. The only problem, is that he can't sell it so even if he's faced with a bill he can't pay it because he has no liquid assets. Naturally he and his family are living on day to day stress that you would'nt want to entertain. My second friend is at the end of his personal tether, he's 55 and if things go wrong for him he has nothing. His divorce stripped him of all his assets once before and having risen to the surface a second time he cannot face the prospect of being dragged under again and the thought of not resurfacing seems the least painful option. And me, well I'm f*cked whichever way I turn. My only hope is that HMRC and complete lemons like you Mr BN66Sceptic are weighed measured and found wanting in a court of law. What goes around hopefully comes around I say and one day, when you are wading through the depths of emotional termoil, you'll refelct upon this day and then you'll see that there is no one and I mean no one there to help you out, you spiteful little toe rag...


To The Donkey (oh meister of all things informative and rhubarbish), to Enigma and all other helpful posters - I wish you all a fabulous Christmas and a most splendid and libacious New year... Sadly, I shall be working for all but Xmas day and New years day and I might even do some adhok work in attempt to earn some 'save my arse' pennies....

[silver_lining]

No I am Sparticus

This is starting to become a joke, next step is a face to face

[swede]

Can we ...

Hmm interesting one. See page 16. Is Hector's guy this bloke? :
http://www.matrixlaw.co.uk/WhoWeAre_...erSinghQC.aspx

It's a little surprising, as he seems to have a record of doing the Government over and holding them to account.

...use whoever won it this year?


"2006 Human Rights Lawyer of the Year award, Liberty/JUSTICE"

[SantaClaus]

...use whoever won it this year?


"2006 Human Rights Lawyer of the Year award, Liberty/JUSTICE"

Very ironic! HMRC are using him against our human rights.

[smalldog]

Very ironic! HMRC are using him against our human rights.

the guy obviously knows the subject matter, who is our chap on 19th??

[johnnyguitar]

Very ironic! HMRC are using him against our human rights.

Makes me wonder that they think he holds the answer to rebuff our human rights claims?? and this will be their main line of defence. I do hope he hasn't got any suprises up his sleeve.
Can anyone tell me exactly where/when the JR is taking place? And what the procedure is for attending - I might pop along.

[smalldog]

Makes me wonder that they think he holds the answer to rebuff our human rights claims?? and this will be their main line of defence. I do hope he hasn't got any suprises up his sleeve.
Can anyone tell me exactly where/when the JR is taking place? And what the procedure is for attending - I might pop along.

I will be there too, not for the entire three days tho. pop in and out when i can...