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Letter to my MP, and the response.....

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    Letter to my MP, and the response.....

    With all that is happening in our world I decided to pen a letter to my MP highlighting some of my concerns about government policy towards both ourselves and our industry. The first post was sent to the MP, the second post is the response from David Gauke MP, famed in 2011 for saying that paying a builder cash in hand (Evasion) was ok but Avoidance was not!

    I entitled the email 'The Murder of the British IT Industry'

    Dear xxxxxx,

    I'm writing to you today regarding changes that are under consultation by both Government and HMRC that would deal a fatal blow to flexible working within the IT and other industries.

    My History
    I began working in the IT industry in 1986 and chose set up my own Limited Company in 1989 and began supplying services to clients. Since 2000 I have supplied services to 16 different client companies, 3 this year so far. None of these engagements were begun with the intention of being employed by the client, nor for the client to provide any of the following
    • Pension
    • Holiday Pay
    • Sick Pay
    • Maternity Pay
    • Redundancy
    As I am working through my own limited company I am responsible for ensuring that it pays corporation tax, VAT and operates a PAYE scheme. Personally, as is every other domiciled resident of the UK, I am required to submit a tax return where appropriate to account for all income and pay tax as defined under law.

    Current State
    I find the clients either by my own network of contacts or via agencies that contacts me about client requirements. With a client obtained via my own network I agree contractual terms with the client, have the contract reviewed by a lawyer and enter into an engagement that can last from a few days to a few years. My company invoices the client and awaits payment. With a client obtained via an agency I receive a proposed contract from the agency which is then subject to negotiation. Once a suitable contract has been agreed with the agency it is the reviewed by a lawyer and opinion given. Again the engagement lasts from a few days to a few years. My limited company invoices the agency who in turn invoice the client and I await payment. In both cases if the client becomes insolvent my limited company will not get paid and in the latter example the limited company won't be paid if the agency becomes insolvent even though they may have been paid by the end client.

    How We Got Here
    In 1988 a piece of legislation was enacted that effectively created a desire to incorporate Income and Corporation Taxes Act 1988. Prior to this freelance resources worked on a self employed basic, paying tax, type 2 and type 4 national insurance. Because of this legislation people moved to using a limited company and, as a result, were advised to begin distributing the companies profit as dividends, thus avoiding national insurance. Hence the effect of the legislation was to reduce the national insurance collected - not it's intention.

    Once Labour came to power in the late 90s they began talking of Friday to Monday employees, those who resigned from a company on a Friday and were engaged by the same company on Monday though now working via their own limited company. The government introduced legislation known as IR35 which they said was intended to counter this however the wording and hence intent of the legislation was to cast a much wider net. The legislation placed emphasis on the 'perceived working relationship' rather than any obligations committed to in the contract between the parties, as HMRC put it - to look through the contract to any downstream contract between an agency (or intermediary in HMRC terms) and the end client.Given that I am not entitled to visibility of any downstream contract I have no means of ensuring that the engagement defined between my company and the agency is reflected down the chain of contracts until the end client is reached.

    Dawn Primarolo and Gordon Brown, Paymaster General and Chancellor at the time, stated at every occasion that those working using their own limited company were paying less tax than other workers, a statement which is a misrepresentation of reality. They focussed on just the income tax aspect rather than the full picture. If I may give any example of a freelancer, working through their own company comparing the non IR35 and IR35 positions

    If the limited company invoices £100,000 in a year

    IR35 non IR35
    Salary £10,000 £10,000
    Employer NI £ 10,275 £ 0
    Employee NI £ 4,959 £ 232
    Corporation Tax £ 0 £18,000
    Income Tax £23,185 £10,713

    Total Tax £23,185 £28,713
    Total NI £15,234 £ 232

    As you can see overall tax paid (corporation + income) for a non IR35 position is actually higher than the IR35 position, contrary to the statements made by Primarolo, Brown and pretty much every HMRC person you'll meet. The 'saving' for the non IR35 position is that much less National Insurance is paid, though one could argue that since, as a one man limited company, I can't reclaim sick pay or maternity pay from HMRC nor recieve income when I have no client or am sick then this saving offsets my taking responsiblity for my periods of 'non-engagement'. If the 1988 legislation hadn't been enacted the amount of National Insurance collected would be somewhere between the two. As for the percentage of the invoiced amount of £100,000 being paid to HMRC, the IR35 position would pay 38.4% and the non IR35 position 28.9%. My current client is a Lloyds Syndicate and hence can't reclaim the VAT my company charges hence HMRC would collect an additional £20,000 on both of the above taking the tax/NI percentages to 48.6% and 40.7% respectively - at present HMRC labels me as a tax avoider who is not paying their 'fair share'!.

    Proposed Legislation
    The legislation that is under consultation requires that any company engaged by an agency to supply services to a client is subject to treating all revenue as salary, additionally suggesting that the agent/client deduct tax and national insurance before paying the engaged limited company. Further they would prevent the engaged limited company from paying travel and subsistence payments to the person supplied to the client site. This has a number of consequences. Firstly any pension contributions that the limited company wishes to make to a pension scheme would be after the deduction of National Insurance, contrary to what would happen with other limited companies. Secondly if your limited company were engaged by a consultancy to provide services to a client of their's you would not be allowed to pay travel and subsistence expenses however the employees of the consultancy at the same site would still be allowed to have their expenses refunded! Finally this would mean that, without regard to the contractual arrangement, anyone supplying services via their own limited company, would be only paid the net amount after Tax, Employer National Insurance and Employee National Insurance has been deducted by the agency, effectively making you an employee of the agency, with non of the benefits of employment but with all of the costs plus the Employers National Insurance.

    Faced with such a change most freelance IT staff would either leave the industry or become permanent, thus destroying this Governments commitment to supporting initiative, small businesses and the flexible workforce. If, as a nation, we are to produce a world class IT organisation such as Google, Microsoft, Apple or any other then you, the Government, needs to reduce the burdens on small business, entrepreneurship and enterprise, not punish it with the restrictive , penal and outdated desires of the HMRC. We need simplification not further complexity.

    #2
    second page

    Not a level playing field
    In addition to this proposal the IT industry is facing pressures on many fronts that are detrimental.

    Consultancies such as aaaaaa, eeeeee and others are well know for paying very little in corporation tax in the UK (I believe the figure for aaaaaa was 3% last year) however they are the suppliers of choice on government IT projects. I'm sure I don't have to remind you of the complete failure of many of these projects along with the excessive cost (I believe I heard that the Home office spent more on IT as few years ago than Google!). In addition to this the consultancies fuel the perceived 'skills shortage' that we keep hearing about. This comes about in the following way:
    • The consultancy wins a contract
    • They fill roles with their own people
    • Any roles they can't fill they put to the freelance market at very low rates ( I've had calls offering £125 per day for a role that would normally command £600 )
    • No-one takes the roles because of the rate
    • The consultancy uses this to justify a visa for an person from another country (most commonly India)
    • This gets included as an area where there is a shortage of skills
    • There are UK and European citizens with the skills who are not working
    At a previous client I was engaged alongside aaaaaa so became aware of their practices. One in particular was how they provide on site support after a project has been delivered. They freely admitted that their model was to import non European people (again predominantly Indian) for periods not exceeding six months per person. This allowed them to sidestep the requirement for a tier 1 or 2 visa, to pay only expenses in the UK and to pay the remainder back in their home country. In the case of India there has in the past been a further tax benefit provided by the Indian Government to the person supplied. At this client the average amount charged by aaaaaa per person, per day was £800 including their offshore development team.

    I apologise for the length of this email however the norm is that only part of the story is recounted in the press and I imagine in briefings by HMRC to MPs hence I feel it is important that you are made aware of the reality of the situation I, and tens of thousands of other people that are critical to the UK are facing. We feel victimised even though we pay large amounts of tax. We feel that our businesses are discriminated against whereas Consultancies in the same space are treated beneficially. We feel we are not valued by a Country whose fortunes we contribute to enormously not just as a result of the large amounts of tax we already pay, but through the experience and skills that we provide to many clients in the UK's most important industries.

    Finally, my Son has just sat his GCSEs and is about to start his A-Levels. He is studying Maths, Further Maths, Physics and Electronics and wishes to read Computer Science at Oxford or Cambridge, progressing to a career in IT. I am, sadly, currently advising him to persue that career outside of the UK.

    I would be very pleased to discuss these concerns with you at your convenience though I should mention that the consultation period on the HMRC aspects end on the 30th September.

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      #3
      part 2

      Not a level playing field
      In addition to this proposal the IT industry is facing pressures on many fronts that are detrimental.

      Consultancies such as aaaaaa, eeeeee and others are well know for paying very little in corporation tax in the UK (I believe the figure for aaaaaa was 3% last year) however they are the suppliers of choice on government IT projects. I'm sure I don't have to remind you of the complete failure of many of these projects along with the excessive cost (I believe I heard that the Home office spent more on IT as few years ago than Google!). In addition to this the consultancies fuel the perceived 'skills shortage' that we keep hearing about. This comes about in the following way:
      • The consultancy wins a contract
      • They fill roles with their own people
      • Any roles they can't fill they put to the freelance market at very low rates ( I've had calls offering £125 per day for a role that would normally command £600 )
      • No-one takes the roles because of the rate
      • The consultancy uses this to justify a visa for an person from another country (most commonly India)
      • This gets included as an area where there is a shortage of skills
      • There are UK and European citizens with the skills who are not working
      At a previous client I was engaged alongside aaaaaa so became aware of their practices. One in particular was how they provide on site support after a project has been delivered. They freely admitted that their model was to import non European people (again predominantly Indian) for periods not exceeding six months per person. This allowed them to sidestep the requirement for a tier 1 or 2 visa, to pay only expenses in the UK and to pay the remainder back in their home country. In the case of India there has in the past been a further tax benefit provided by the Indian Government to the person supplied. At this client the average amount charged by aaaaaa per person, per day was £800 including their offshore development team.

      I apologise for the length of this email however the norm is that only part of the story is recounted in the press and I imagine in briefings by HMRC to MPs hence I feel it is important that you are made aware of the reality of the situation I, and tens of thousands of other people that are critical to the UK are facing. We feel victimised even though we pay large amounts of tax. We feel that our businesses are discriminated against whereas Consultancies in the same space are treated beneficially. We feel we are not valued by a Country whose fortunes we contribute to enormously not just as a result of the large amounts of tax we already pay, but through the experience and skills that we provide to many clients in the UK's most important industries.

      Finally, my Son has just sat his GCSEs and is about to start his A-Levels. He is studying Maths, Further Maths, Physics and Electronics and wishes to read Computer Science at Oxford or Cambridge, progressing to a career in IT. I am, sadly, currently advising him to persue that career outside of the UK.

      I would be very pleased to discuss these concerns with you at your convenience though I should mention that the consultation period on the HMRC aspects end on the 30th September.

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        #4
        .... and the reply

        MC2015/19459
        HM Treasury, 1 Horse Guards Road, London, SW1A 2HQ
        The Rt Hon xxxxxxxx MP House of Commons London SW1A OAA
        8 SEP 2015
        Thank you for your letter of 15 August to George Osborne enclosing correspondence from your constituent, Mr yyyyyyyyy, about IR35. I am replying as Minister responsible for this policy area.
        This Government is committed to tackling tax avoidance and evasion at all levels to ensure everyone pays the right tax at the right time. Avoidance (and evasion) damage the ability of the tax system to deliver its objectives and impose additional costs on all taxpayers.
        The Government recognises that many individuals choose to work through their own limited companies, sometimes referred to as 'personal service companies' and appreciates their positive contribution to the economy.
        Personal service companies are not in themselves avoidance vehicles and contribute to the flexibility of the UK labour market. However, where people would have been employees if they were providing their services directly, 1R35 anti-avoidance legislation requires they pay broadly the same tax and National Insurance as other employees.
        IR35 seeks to ensure that what is properly employment income is taxed as such and tackles tax and National Insurance avoidance through the use of intermediaries.
        Broadly, IR35 applies to those engagements where:
        • the individual personally performs services for another person (the client); • the services are provided not directly with the client but under arrangements involving an intermediary; and • the circumstances are such that, if the individual had provided the services directly to the client under a contract between them and the client, they would have been regarded for income tax and National Insurance purposes as an employee of the client.
        The existing employment status tests are used to decide whether the contract between a worker and the client would be a contract of service/employment. The Courts lay down the criteria used to decide who is an employee.

        The Government remains firmly of the view that the fiscal risk to the Exchequer of those incorporating to disguise employment income is significant, so abolition of IR35 is not an option.
        However, as announced at the Summer Budget 2015, as highlighted by reports from the Office for Tax Simplification and the House of Lords, it is clear that IR35 is not effective enough. Non-compliance in this area is estimated to cost over f400 million a year.
        The Government has therefore asked HMRC to start a dialogue with business on how to improve the effectiveness of existing IR35 legislation. The Government wants to find a solution that protects the Exchequer and improves fairness in the system.
        The Government welcomes views from all interested parties to form its approach to reform. Details of how to contact the Government are in the discussion document on this issue which has been published on GOV.UK at: wvvw.gov.uk/government/consultations/intermediaries-legislation-ir35-discussion-document. The Government welcomes comments in response to the discussion document by 30 September.
        Please pass on my thanks to Mr yyyyy for taking the trouble to make us aware of these concerns.
        DAVID GAUKE

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          #5
          There are brick walls that might have put together a better response.
          Last edited by Zero Liability; 28 September 2015, 11:15.

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            #6
            response in progress

            I'm putting together a response as he's does not address a single point and insultingly tells me what IR35 is - I was there at the beginning, where was he?

            He lists one of his areas of interest as offshoring......

            Oh, and compare this to the response he gave about the changes to BTL where he was UNABLE to give a estimate of the cost to BTL owners as their system couldn't do it for a reasonable cost.......but here he can conjour up £400 million

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              #7
              Yeah maybe ask him how they arrived at the figure and where the dividend tax will leave it. Doubt you'll get a proper answer given his earlier reply.

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                #8
                Originally posted by 80sContractor View Post
                I'm putting together a response as he's does not address a single point and insultingly tells me what IR35 is - I was there at the beginning, where was he?

                He lists one of his areas of interest as offshoring......

                Oh, and compare this to the response he gave about the changes to BTL where he was UNABLE to give a estimate of the cost to BTL owners as their system couldn't do it for a reasonable cost.......but here he can conjour up £400 million
                You really, honestly expected anything other than a generic HMRC drafted response when you wrote to a politician?

                If so I've got a few lovely bridges over the Thames for sale and am about to start a lovely line in scrap steel available soon in the center of Paris.
                Take a day trip into the real world at some point, but have a medical team on standby, you're in for a very large shock.

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                  #9
                  well....

                  .... you're a helpful one aren't you, what have you done to express your opinion to those who are formulating the change in law?

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                    #10
                    good effort, poor result.

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