UK's AAA credit rating threatened by 'formidable challenges'

[BrilloPad]

Quite. And the reason why France is in more doo-doo than we are is that its banks are far more exposed to Greek debt, while the French fiscal and monetary position does not let it recapitalise the banks should it need to do so.

The ECB seems to be doing a good job at recapitalising French banks today.

[sasguru]

The ECB seems to be doing a good job at recapitalising French banks today.

LTROs are not recap. Will the banks take advantage of the carry trade or avoid the risk?

HTH.

[BrilloPad]

LTROs are not recap. Will the banks take advantage of the carry trade or avoid the risk?

HTH.

Looks like they are dong the carry trade. fools. Though to be fair it is what they are expected to do.

[DodgyAgent]

What's the point in continuing World War II when we've been invaded by millions of Polish, anyone else from Europe can come here and unlimited Bobs are welcome too? For us, the var ist over mein Freund.

Good point, but at least it is our own govt bringing them here instead of them being dumped by the Germans

[sasguru]

Good point, but at least it is our own govt bringing them here instead of them being dumped by the Germans

The Poles and Bobs were our allies in the war. It's just a continuation of that policy

[scooterscot]

If you'd carried on reading that article instead of leaping to put the headline in front of us,

I'm not laughing at the situation however. Everyone is suffering thanks to the failure of the eurozone and inability of its members to run the finances of a whelk stall.

That's an excuse you're leaping to.

Everyone in the west is suffering thanks to spending more than they had, that includes governments, public service companies, and individuals. It's a mistake to place blame on the shoulders of a currency alone no matter how much you'd like that to be the case.

[sasguru]

That's an excuse you're leaping to.

Everyone in the west is suffering thanks to spending more than they had, that includes governments, public service companies, and individuals. It's a mistake to place blame on the shoulders of a currency alone no matter how much you'd like that to be the case.

You sound like a petulant child whose toy has just been slagged off.

[BrilloPad]

Everyone in the west is suffering thanks to spending more than they had

I never spent more than I had. More fool me.

[Doggy Styles]

That's an excuse you're leaping to.

Everyone in the west is suffering thanks to spending more than they had, that includes governments, public service companies, and individuals. It's a mistake to place blame on the shoulders of a currency alone no matter how much you'd like that to be the case.

You're as bad as AtW at deliberately missing the point.

I quoted Moody's, which included three factors. Here it is again because you've obviously not read my post properly.

"..the country's large budget deficit, slow growth and euro area exposure have reduced its ability to absorb further shocks without rating implications."

Nowhere there can I find the blame 'placed on the shoulders of a currency alone'. It is one of the three major factors quoted by Moody's. I emphasized the advantage of the UK's independent currency against the eurozone common currency, again as quoted by Moody's, because it turns the intent of your Lord Haw Haw post on its head.

[darmstadt]

I like the last paragraph which is why I think ratings agencies are tosh:

Has George Osborne been naughty this year? That would explain the economic equivalent of a lump of coal that's been passed his way by credit ratings agency Moody's, which warned this morning that if Osborne keeps up his good work, Britain may lose its coveted AAA rating. In its annual review of the UK's finances, Moody's said it had been spooked by a combination of a high deficit, weak growth in the economy and threats from the eurozone crisis which, have 'eroded [Britain's] ability to absorb further macroeconomic or fiscal shocks without rating implications'. Ouch.

Moody's was keen to reassure investors that this isn't actually a downgrade - it actually maintained the UK's AAA rating at 'stable', which means a lot has to happen before the UK is actually downgraded. But it cut its forecast for economic growth from its original 1.5% to 0.7%, which is in line with what the Office for Budget Responsibility reckons. So Moody's probably isn't that far out. Even the Treasury conceded that it's got a point. 'The UK is not immune to the problems facing our trading partners in the euro area; the crisis is having a chilling effect across Europe,' it mumbled, presumably shuffling its feet and hanging its head.

If the UK did lose its AAA rating, it wouldn't be a total disaster: after all, the US survived a downgrade earlier this year - albeit causing temporary market turmoil. But it would make life at the Treasury a lot more complicated. Not only does the UK have a lot of gravitas in the international money market because of its rating, which it's held since ratings began, but most significantly, a downgrade would automatically put borrowing rates up for the UK, adding 'tens of millions' to our yearly interest bill. Less crucially, It would also undermine Osborne, suggesting that his plans to get the economy back on track aren't quite up to standard - in Moody's view, at least.

Of course, this comes mere days after a tiff between the UK and France - or, more specifically, French central bank governor Christian Noyer, who suggested that instead of downgrading France as it had threatened, ratings agency Fitch should 'start by downgrading the UK, which has a bigger deficit, as much debt, more inflation, weaker growth and where bank lending is collapsing'. Is it us, or can we feel a certain sense of smugness wafting across the channel?

Still, it's worth pointing out at this juncture that these are the very ratings agencies that were quite happy to give sub-prime mortgage lenders AA and AAA ratings days before they collapsed in 2008, so they are by no means omniscient. In fact, they've taken to giving these kinds of warning since 2008, to give markets a chance to adjust if/when a new rating is given. That said, given the lack of reaction from markets when Fitch downgraded six of the world's largest banks last week, it looks as though investors are increasingly losing trust in them. So perhaps Osborne et al can have a relaxed Christmas after all.