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    #21
    Originally posted by turbowoowoo View Post
    Absolutley know this, problem is the tories have not addressed the problem, a lot of their policies have been smoke and mirrors.

    Who put up VAT?
    Who is cutting local government budgets?
    majority of new jobs are part time which is why taxes are far lower than expected.
    NHS - constantly missed targets, ambulance service is chaos, beds in chaos, A& E in chaos, Private sector withdrawing from NHS, social care in chaos, and not even on their manifesto?
    unprecedented powers handed to HMRC to tax grab retrospectively
    unprecedented planned cuts would decimate the country
    Whilst welfare reform is needed, the tories have gone too far in hurting the very sector of our society who these cuts affect the most (Kicking a poor man when he is down), whilst the opportunities for the wealthy have never been better.

    Labour have a buffon running them at present, but they do seem more intent on managing the deficit in a more sensible way than the tories (as long as they don't make the same mistakes as previously)

    UKIP - I love farage and some of his policies, but some I loathe and it seems they cannot get rid of the idiots from the party which would make them more acceptable to main stream voters

    Yeh, it's all Fatcher's fault, don't foget wot she did to the miners. Vote Labour, save the NHS, get rich quick, re-nationalise the trains, bring back hanging and send all the immigrants home.

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      #22
      Originally posted by turbowoowoo View Post
      Zero contract employment is not good
      Only a Labour governmanet will ban zero hours contracts, no more wondering when the next pay cheque will be, labour will guarantee everyone earns a living wage and the gready bankers will pay the bill.

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        #23
        Originally posted by NickyBoy View Post
        Why? As I just covered, a deficit is fine as long as more growth is produced then the cost of the borrowed amount.
        No, deficit is NOT fine. Spending more money than you earn is NOT fine.

        Borrowing money is a way to defer taxation or budget cuts to future generations, that is totally NOT fine.

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          #24
          There's a good chance there will be a grand coallition between Tory & Labour. The vote in parliament last night to continue Tory austerity cuts was supported by Labour so there's not much between them anyway. They will probably do this to stop a bulk of SNP/Plaid/Greens holding the balance of power.

          http://rt.com/uk/222239-tories-labour-coalition-cable/

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            #25
            Originally posted by Batcher View Post
            There's a good chance there will be a grand coallition between Tory & Labour.
            Nah, no chance.

            Whoever wins next election won't be in Govt more than 1 term - that's because real cuts will kick in and even Labour now say they support them... it's much better to support them whilst being in opposition for next term and then blame Tories for another 20 years.

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              #26
              Originally posted by NickyBoy View Post
              Why? As I just covered, a deficit is fine as long as more growth is produced then the cost of the borrowed amount.

              From the point we are at now, borrowing money and investing it in projects that pay back more than the value of the amount borrowed + interest, pays down the debt far quicker than just leaving our countries infrastructure and business to rot while we wait for inflation to do its thing.

              The problem isn't borrowing or a defict. The problem is incompetent/corrupt investment by a succession of bad governments from both sides of the house.

              You seem to have a very amateur, simplistic view of the problem that sounds like little more than the sound bites the current (incompetent) government used to win over low-information voters.
              You're expecting the government to borrow on the same basis as a business does, when it lacks both the price signals and incentives to do so, and socialises the costs via tax and, what amounts to the same, credit expansion. So basically they're 'investing' on someone else's dime.

              Moreover, where's the evidence they're the least bit successful in this regard? Sounds like a boon for lobbyists and politically connected firms, and little else. This multiplier gibberish has been around for years and I can point to studies e.g. in the US that, even assuming the concept is valid (debatable in itself), show it to be at best neutral, at worst negative. You can look at Japan for an even worse example, and as for the EU, it is notorious for its waste and hasn't even passed an audit in what, 20 years?

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                #27
                Business that overborrows will go bankrupt, and that balances the market.

                Govt that borrows does not want to go bankrupt, so it then fooks everybody over using many ways available to it (inflation, more debt to repay future generations, more taxes)

                Therefore Govt should NOT be allowed to borrow, budgets must be strictly in proficit - in rare years when there is deficit it should be covered from Govt savings made in good years.

                It should be a specific criminal offence for a politicians to make promises that would result in budget deficits - that would save the country from populists who want to spend somebody elses money in order to bribe their way to power.

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by Project Monkey View Post
                  Only a Labour governmanet will ban zero hours contracts, no more wondering when the next pay cheque will be, labour will guarantee everyone earns a living wage and the gready bankers will pay the bill.
                  LOL at that one. Most of the Labout MPs hire people on zero hour contracts.

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by Batcher View Post
                    LOL at that one. Most of the Labout MPs hire people on zero hour contracts.
                    Not when they hire their wifes...

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by AtW View Post
                      No, deficit is NOT fine. Spending more money than you earn is NOT fine.

                      Borrowing money is a way to defer taxation or budget cuts to future generations, that is totally NOT fine.
                      You are not listening

                      A deficit, where used for investment which yields greater return is good...

                      problem is governments only look at close proximity vote winning investment

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