Jazz

[Mich the Tester]

If you want music to develop and change, you have to accept that people make experimental music that doesn't have a mass appeal. I get the impression that some modern jazz, as with some modern classical music and some modern art is actually an exploration of new ideas; the new ideas might only appeal to die-hard afficionados, but some ideas will be picked up and applied in other forms of music. That doesn't mean you have to like that music (or art), but it can be one of the reasons why it's worth making it.

[minestrone]

If you want music to develop and change, you have to accept that people make experimental music that doesn't have a mass appeal. I get the impression that some modern jazz, as with some modern classical music and some modern art is actually an exploration of new ideas; the new ideas might only appeal to die-hard afficionados, but some ideas will be picked up and applied in other forms of music. That doesn't mean you have to like that music (or art), but it can be one of the reasons why it's worth making it.

It is music that goes out to be different and unpalatable to what it thinks is mainstream.

[Mich the Tester]

It is music that goes out to be different and unpalatable to what it thinks is mainstream.

Perhaps, yes; is that a problem?

[OwlHoot]

If you want music to develop and change, you have to accept that people make experimental music that doesn't have a mass appeal. I get the impression that some modern jazz, as with some modern classical music and some modern art is actually an exploration of new ideas; the new ideas might only appeal to die-hard afficionados, but some ideas will be picked up and applied in other forms of music. That doesn't mean you have to like that music (or art), but it can be one of the reasons why it's worth making it.

True - A lot of "modern classical" music, of the kind they occasionally play on Radio 3, sounds literally like a succession of random squeaks and whistles, with the occasional clash of dustbin lids. Experts claim there are subtle rhythms, but I could never discern any patterns when I once tried listening to the insufferable stuff!

But then in the early 19th century, old-timers complained bitterly about the unconventional, chaotic style of music being developed by people like Brahms and Mendelssohn, which went against all the Baroque principles.

[minestrone]

Perhaps, yes; is that a problem?

They can shoot off in whatever self propelled archaic nonsense chord progression they want to go to. Jazz fans want nothing more that to be loved for their music because nobody else likes it, they are the designer clothes wearing self absorbed tarts of the music world who turn to a party and get pissed off when everyone is wearing designer clothes. If everyone was listening to jazz jazz fans would be experimenting with Kylie bootlegs.

[Mich the Tester]

They can shoot off in whatever self propelled archaic nonsense chord progression they want to go to. Jazz fans want nothing more that to be loved for their music because nobody else likes it, they are the designer clothes wearing self absorbed tarts of the music world who turn to a party and get pissed off when everyone is wearing designer clothes. If everyone was listening to jazz jazz fans would be experimenting with Kylie bootlegs.

But now you're talking about the fans, who may or may not be tossers, just as the fans of other kinds of music may be tossers. Your original question was about the point of the music itself, which I've tried to answer in a somewhat incomplete fashion.

[TykeMerc]

They can shoot off in whatever self propelled archaic nonsense chord progression they want to go to. Jazz fans want nothing more that to be loved for their music because nobody else likes it, they are the designer clothes wearing self absorbed tarts of the music world who turn to a party and get pissed off when everyone is wearing designer clothes. If everyone was listening to jazz jazz fans would be experimenting with Kylie bootlegs.

So what you're saying is fans of modern jazz are pretentious tossers?

Perhaps overgeneralised, but not excessive as statements go

[Jog On]

They can shoot off in whatever self propelled archaic nonsense chord progression they want to go to. Jazz fans want nothing more that to be loved for their music because nobody else likes it, they are the designer clothes wearing self absorbed tarts of the music world who turn to a party and get pissed off when everyone is wearing designer clothes. If everyone was listening to jazz jazz fans would be experimenting with Kylie bootlegs.

Wow you really hate jazz music?

What music do you like? I'm willing to bet money that it's originated from jazz

[Mich the Tester]

They can shoot off in whatever self propelled archaic nonsense chord progression they want to go to. Jazz fans want nothing more that to be loved for their music because nobody else likes it, they are the designer clothes wearing self absorbed tarts of the music world who turn to a party and get pissed off when everyone is wearing designer clothes. If everyone was listening to jazz jazz fans would be experimenting with Kylie bootlegs.

That word sums up the point of a lot of music and art.

[lukemg]

It's simple - Jazz is 4 people all playing a different tune....