zero hours

[Peoplesoft bloke]

Apparently zero hours "jobs" for permies are on the rise. How can IR35 define mutual obligation as a test of employment if "employees" have no guarantee of any work ?

[zeitghost]

Yup.

It's a neat trick.

They don't have to give you any hours (or money), but you have to be available at a moment's notice.

[alreadypacked]

Yup.

It's a neat trick.

They don't have to give you any hours (or money), but you have to be available at a moment's notice.

Wasn't that called slavery?

[zeitghost]

Wasn't that called slavery?

Nah.

You're free enough to starve.

[alreadypacked]

Nah.

You're free enough to starve.

So slavery terms and conditions were better?

[MarillionFan]

Yup.

It's a neat trick.

They don't have to give you any hours (or money), but you have to be available at a moment's notice.

Links?

[SueEllen]

Links?

Google is your friend.

[zeitghost]

So slavery terms and conditions were better?

In a way.

Depends on your owner of course.

But it was noted that mine owners were more concerned about pit ponies (property) than miners (not property).

[vetran]

Nice


BBC News - Do zero hours contracts create real jobs?

seems its manufacturing and fast food.

shafting the poor

[zeitghost]

shafting the poor

Yup.

It was ever thus.

It's a looooooong time since "You've never had it so good".