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What does the state do for them that it didn't do in the past?And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014 -
EU immigration is at minimum skilled and more often than not highly skilled and multilingual. Representing EU as 'poor and unskilled' is precisely "spin driven homogenous sludge" which Farage is pulling on youngsters, hence conditioning new generation of Euro-haters.Originally posted by ZARDOZ View PostDoes being anti EU governance= no to immigration? I don't think they are against a proper points based system. Rather than a right to work here with no skills.
Remember once the Labour Party were anti EU with the majority voting against EU entry in 1972.
Not saying I agree,like many people I'm just sick of the PR and spin driven homogenous sludge of CON/LAB/LIB political parties.
Not that I care, just saying.If UKIP are the answer, then it must have been a very stupid question.Comment
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Where are you from?Originally posted by mos View PostEU immigration is at minimum skilled and more often than not highly skilled and multilingual. Representing EU as 'poor and unskilled' is precisely "spin driven homogenous sludge" which Farage is pulling on youngsters, hence conditioning new generation of Euro-haters.
Not that I care, just saying.Comment
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I think a points based system would be most beneficial. "The do the jobs we won't do" argument is morally bankrupt.Originally posted by mos View PostEU immigration is at minimum skilled and more often than not highly skilled and multilingual. Representing EU as 'poor and unskilled' is precisely "spin driven homogenous sludge" which Farage is pulling on youngsters, hence conditioning new generation of Euro-haters.
Not that I care, just saying.
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Politics needs spicing up, the 3 main parties were/are on a mission to out PC each other. Everything is fine/nothing to see here,when there are real issues simply does not wash anymore. Just watch Question time for the growing disparity between the political classes and the public. A metropolitan elite who know nothing of real society.
This is what happens in a shift to the centre ground. We need parties not afraid to say what people are thinking, be they left or right. They will win respect and votes.Comment
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In what way are the main political parties PC?Originally posted by ZARDOZ View PostI think a points based system would be most beneficial. "The do the jobs we won't do" argument is morally bankrupt.
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Politics needs spicing up, the 3 main parties were/are on a mission to out PC each other. Everything is fine/nothing to see here,when there are real issues simply does not wash anymore. Just watch Question time for the growing disparity between the political classes and the public. A metropolitan elite who know nothing of real society.
This is what happens in a shift to the centre ground. We need parties not afraid to say what people are thinking, be they left or right. They will win respect and votes.Comment
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Do you think that 'what people are thinking' is a good guide to decision making?Originally posted by ZARDOZ View PostWe need parties not afraid to say what people are thinking, be they left or right.And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014Comment
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Oh how's that?Originally posted by Flashman View PostOlder people can remember living in a democracy.

Were there more/different choices than Labour/Tory after WW2?


Or perhaps you mean the quasi-feudal systems that existed in the 19th/early 20th century?
And I bet maidens rode to vespers on their stand-up-and-beg bikes while the gentle thwack of the cricket ball was heard on the village green?
You UKIPPers talk such utter bilge.Last edited by sasguru; 14 March 2014, 15:30.Hard Brexit now!
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If you're a typical example I would say EU immigration is of a mediocre standard with poor logical skills and judgement, and poor command of English.Originally posted by mos View PostEU immigration is at minimum skilled and more often than not highly skilled and multilingual.
My Poles are great builders though.Last edited by sasguru; 14 March 2014, 15:31.Hard Brexit now!
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In the way they paint a simplistic caricature of reality, anything else is of course 'prejudice'.Originally posted by Old Greg View PostIn what way are the main political parties PC?
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Immigration: All parties pretend it's great, only positive, when in reality it's complex and sometimes has negative externalities on society CON/LAB/LIB all the same on this issue.
Only differentiation is on minor caveats.
When they do differ e.g. welfare bill, they confuse the debate with nonsense. e.g. Confusing jobseekers with economically inactive.Comment
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Perhaps the main parties are very careful about what they say about immigration precisely because they do know how complex the issues are, because for better or worse they have experience in government.Originally posted by ZARDOZ View PostIn the way they paint a simplistic caricature of reality, anything else is of course 'prejudice'.
For example
Immigration: All parties pretend it's great, only positive, when in reality it's complex and sometimes has negative externalities on society CON/LAB/LIB all the same on this issue.And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014Comment
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