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That last post is exactly why I spent the money (not been out of work since), however I digress. I did reply lukemsg but it got bumped, so here it is again...
But remember,peeps - Malvolio's right, it's about people - you can have spiffing processes but if people won't use them or can't get access to them...
Sorry for the delay - I don't post when I'm on-site.
No, ITIL training isn't a full-time gig - I'm a consultant first and a trainer second. I do the odd freelance course every now and then. It helps to keep IR35 at bay and my ITIL knowledge sharp.
Having never been to a boot camp I don't know how to answer that one - you need to attend 2 separate weeks of training; one week for Service Support and one week for Service Delivery. This is non-negotiable; there is no distance learning allowed for the Manager's certificate (you can add to the cost by going to a day's exam prep but I don't rate them).
Average pass marks for the ITIL training specialists are in the region of 80%, dropping to around 65% for some the smaller bandwagon training providers* with variable quality trainers and less than 50% for self-learners before the exam entrance criteria were tightened up.
As for providers, choose from Sysop (a particular favourite), QA, FoxIT etc. These have training centres around Manchester. Always ask them their pass mark rates, the best are proud of them (and this can be cross-ref'd with the ISEB )
Overall passing the Manager's Certificate will cost approximately 3,000 - 5,000 depending on who you go with (and the biggest aren't always the most expensive). This doesn't include potential loss of earnings.
As for your £350 - £450 a day rate - you'll get those rates once you've proved yourself and with experience. Don't expect that much straight away (although I wouldn't get out of bed for 'em meself... )
*I am not a bandwagon but a sleek specialist in red with go-faster stripes whose own average stats are higher than the big-hitters...
HTH
But remember,peeps - Malvolio's right, it's about people - you can have spiffing processes but if people won't use them or can't get access to them...
Sorry for the delay - I don't post when I'm on-site.
No, ITIL training isn't a full-time gig - I'm a consultant first and a trainer second. I do the odd freelance course every now and then. It helps to keep IR35 at bay and my ITIL knowledge sharp.
Having never been to a boot camp I don't know how to answer that one - you need to attend 2 separate weeks of training; one week for Service Support and one week for Service Delivery. This is non-negotiable; there is no distance learning allowed for the Manager's certificate (you can add to the cost by going to a day's exam prep but I don't rate them).
Average pass marks for the ITIL training specialists are in the region of 80%, dropping to around 65% for some the smaller bandwagon training providers* with variable quality trainers and less than 50% for self-learners before the exam entrance criteria were tightened up.
As for providers, choose from Sysop (a particular favourite), QA, FoxIT etc. These have training centres around Manchester. Always ask them their pass mark rates, the best are proud of them (and this can be cross-ref'd with the ISEB )
Overall passing the Manager's Certificate will cost approximately 3,000 - 5,000 depending on who you go with (and the biggest aren't always the most expensive). This doesn't include potential loss of earnings.
As for your £350 - £450 a day rate - you'll get those rates once you've proved yourself and with experience. Don't expect that much straight away (although I wouldn't get out of bed for 'em meself... )
*I am not a bandwagon but a sleek specialist in red with go-faster stripes whose own average stats are higher than the big-hitters...
HTH
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Yeah, like ditto. To summarise:
If you can't break down an enitre end-to-end IT department and work out where it's failing, if you can't then work out what needs doing to make it work and if you can't then get the people to adapt and follow the processes you have developed to sort the problem, then you ain't an ITIL consultant.
Also, there are 10 core functions and a few add-ons, all of which are inter-realted. So how can you be a Practitioner expert if you only know 1/10th of the subject? Being a practitioner in change is fine - but what about config to scope the change, what about Problem to define why the change is needed, what about finance to cost it, what about capacity to tell you what you need to buy/release/upgrade to implement it, what about release to deliver it without shutting down the whole service, what about ervice to ensure what you are doing is what the client want, what about incident to tell the client what you're doing and what they should do until you do it...
See - piece of piss really. Two weeks training, no problem....
If you can't break down an enitre end-to-end IT department and work out where it's failing, if you can't then work out what needs doing to make it work and if you can't then get the people to adapt and follow the processes you have developed to sort the problem, then you ain't an ITIL consultant.
Also, there are 10 core functions and a few add-ons, all of which are inter-realted. So how can you be a Practitioner expert if you only know 1/10th of the subject? Being a practitioner in change is fine - but what about config to scope the change, what about Problem to define why the change is needed, what about finance to cost it, what about capacity to tell you what you need to buy/release/upgrade to implement it, what about release to deliver it without shutting down the whole service, what about ervice to ensure what you are doing is what the client want, what about incident to tell the client what you're doing and what they should do until you do it...
See - piece of piss really. Two weeks training, no problem....
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No, it's one week for SD and one week for SS with a separate 3 hour essay exam for each of them. You must pass both for the Manager's Cert and that little red badge.
And as I said that's SM - I've taken (but not run) other courses such as ICTIM as I was running an SM Implementation team working closely with Deployment team and felt I needed more knowledge regarding Service Introduction...
I have since done all sorts of fun things like perform Reference Site Visits on suppliers (always good for a laugh) and now I know the difference between BIS and AIS...
(strange people, AIS managers...)
And as I said that's SM - I've taken (but not run) other courses such as ICTIM as I was running an SM Implementation team working closely with Deployment team and felt I needed more knowledge regarding Service Introduction...
I have since done all sorts of fun things like perform Reference Site Visits on suppliers (always good for a laugh) and now I know the difference between BIS and AIS...
(strange people, AIS managers...)
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Cheers Boys, some good info there. Also, I am aware of the difficulties involved in the role, which is why it commands a premium, why it offers a challenge and why there maybe some barriers to entry.
I am already performing the implementation role as I did at the previous company, it's something I believe I can do well but have no doubts there is more I can learn. I am not desperate to work contract again but it would be nice to have that as an option, companies with permie roles will not object to me being qualified either.
I should say that in all my working life including 10 years contracting, despite interviews telling me how stressful and difficult the job was going to be, without exception I have always found getting the job to be the only major barrier. The jobs themselves have always proved fairly easy to master so if I find myself struggling to get up to speed in any role I would relish the prospect rather than fear it.
I will keep looking for the next role, contract or perm and investigate some training options in the meantime so if current job drives me nuts I can sack it, do the training and take my chances !
I am already performing the implementation role as I did at the previous company, it's something I believe I can do well but have no doubts there is more I can learn. I am not desperate to work contract again but it would be nice to have that as an option, companies with permie roles will not object to me being qualified either.
I should say that in all my working life including 10 years contracting, despite interviews telling me how stressful and difficult the job was going to be, without exception I have always found getting the job to be the only major barrier. The jobs themselves have always proved fairly easy to master so if I find myself struggling to get up to speed in any role I would relish the prospect rather than fear it.
I will keep looking for the next role, contract or perm and investigate some training options in the meantime so if current job drives me nuts I can sack it, do the training and take my chances !
It's a funny old game saint. Got an interview for an SDM contract role 350/day (right now that is a fortune), close to home but only 3 months. Will face a dilemma if I get it, have to sack my permie job and jump back in the game (got burnt on the way out last time after skills became worthless). Could only last 3 months or even less and then what ? On the other hand, experience of contracting has been contracts extending for years.
I already know I will take it of offered, current gig isn't good enough to stay in and was always a stepping stone, just thought I was on the permie treadmill for a while at least.
Familiar burst of adrenaline when I got the call about the interview, still feels great to be back in the hunt. When you get the job it is even better of course, actually having to do it often proves a disappointment.....
I already know I will take it of offered, current gig isn't good enough to stay in and was always a stepping stone, just thought I was on the permie treadmill for a while at least.
Familiar burst of adrenaline when I got the call about the interview, still feels great to be back in the hunt. When you get the job it is even better of course, actually having to do it often proves a disappointment.....
