Global Warming

[BlasterBates]

time to rekindle the Global Warming debate

....according to the CRU East Anglia,

Even with the instrumental record, the early and late 20th century warming periods are only significant locally at between 10-20% of grid boxes.

http://www.appinsys.com/GlobalWarming/SeekingWarming.htm

which is interesting....

 

[Paddy]

Gordon Brown, addressing the Copenhagen Climate Conference 2009

“Hurricanes, flood, typhoon and droughts we have from time immemorial thought of as the invisible acts of God we can see clearly now as the visible acts of man.”

 

[TheFaQQer]

You're just making the most of sasguru not being here...

 

[Jeebo72]

Gordon Brown, addressing the Copenhagen Climate Conference 2009

“Hurricanes, flood, typhoon and droughts we have from time immemorial thought of as the invisible acts of God we can see clearly now as the visible acts of man.”

Well if Gordon said it, it must be true.

 

[Doggy Styles]

Gordon Brown, addressing the Copenhagen Climate Conference 2009

“Hurricanes, flood, typhoon and droughts we have from time immemorial thought of as the invisible acts of God we can see clearly now as the visible acts of man.”

What does he mean "from time immemorial?"

 

[TimberWolf]

What does he mean "from time immemorial?"

Since before the Great Flood?

 

[pjclarke]

Ah - by rekindle the debate you mean 'lift a single sentence from a 7 year old email, and present it as evidence of'

What exactly?

The author almost certainly meant 'statistical' significance, meaning that the overall global average rose (and continues to rise), and that rise achieved the usual 95% confidence level for statistical significance in 20% of grid cells.

So what? Did the global mean temperature rise? Yes. Is it significantly warmer now than at the start of the last century? Yes. Are most glaciers retreating? Yes. Are species shifting polewards? Yes. Do the vast majority of scientists agree with the IPCC? Yes. Do all but a handful of studies underpin AGW? Yes. Do the combined National Academies think the evidence demands action? Yes.

In the light of all this we have one sentence from a private email? Per-leeze - some might conclude a lack of anything more pursuasive.

Perhaps we could debate this ?

 

[Doggy Styles]

Since before the Great Flood?

Is he suggesting that Noah's Ark factory was the start of man-made global warming?

 

[Paddy]

Ah - by rekindle the debate you mean 'lift a single sentence from a 7 year old email, and present it as evidence of'

What exactly?

The author almost certainly meant 'statistical' significance, meaning that the overall global average rose (and continues to rise), and that rise achieved the usual 95% confidence level for statistical significance in 20% of grid cells.

So what? Did the global mean temperature rise? Yes. Is it significantly warmer now than at the start of the last century? Yes. Are most glaciers retreating? Yes. Are species shifting polewards? Yes. Do the vast majority of scientists agree with the IPCC? Yes. Do all but a handful of studies underpin AGW? Yes. Do the combined National Academies think the evidence demands action? Yes.

In the light of all this we have one sentence from a private email? Per-leeze - some might conclude a lack of anything more pursuasive.

Perhaps we could debate this ?

Is it significantly warmer now than at the start of the last century? Yes.
Please give one example.
Are most glaciers retreating? Yes.
Please give one example. Name one clacier.
Are species shifting polewards? Yes.
Please give one example.
Do the vast majority of scientists agree with the IPCC? Yes.
No
Do all but a handful of studies underpin AGW? Yes.
No Do the combined National Academies think the evidence demands action? Yes. Excuse for taxation.

 

[pjclarke]

Is it significantly warmer now than at the start of the last century? Yes.Please give one example.

Choose NASA or the US NOAA . There are others.

Are most glaciers retreating? Yes.
Please give one example. Name one clacier.

Here is a summary from the World Glacier Monitoring Service. The red bars are retreating glaciers, blue advancing.

The vast majority are melting, if you really want the name of an individual glacier, pick one of the thirty 'reference' glaciers listed here

Are species shifting polewards? Yes.
Please give one example.

This study, A globally coherent fingerprint of climate change impacts across natural systems published in Nature, does what it says on the tin. The researchers looked at changes in 1700 species and found 84% showing behavioural changes, mainly range-shifts polewards, consistent with climate change.

Do the vast majority of scientists agree with the IPCC? Yes.

Do all but a handful of studies underpin AGW? Yes.

Since when have Governments needed excuses to tax people? Belief in a global tax-raising conspiracy, encompassing every professional body of scientists in the world, to manufacture a global phenomenon (what - massive submerged immersion heaters in the Arctic?) indicates a rather loose relationship with reality.