BBC Loses The Plot

[Lucy]

Sigh... I'm going to become rich and famous after I invent a device that allows you to stab people in the face over the internet

Violence, how typical, you can't argue the argument so threaten injury.

[Kyajae]

Frankly 'old greg' your ignorance is terrifying, I'm in a really bad mood and you are wrong on all counts and I can't be arsed and I don't have time to provide you with information to 'prove' my argument.

Just be aware that you are terribly ignorant and should stop this before you embarrass yourself any further.

you are sasguru and I claim my £5

[andy]

Violence, how typical, you can't argue the argument so threaten injury.

maybe you should get a device which stops you from being stabbed on the internet

[Churchill]

This message is hidden because Lucy is on your ignore list.

[Old Greg]

Frankly 'old greg' your ignorance is terrifying, I'm in a really bad mood and you are wrong on all counts and I can't be arsed and I don't have time to provide you with information to 'prove' my argument.

Just be aware that you are terribly ignorant and should stop this before you embarrass yourself any further.

Welfare state and state ownership of broadcasting media are different things. Use terminology properly and then we may see whether you have an argument.

[Sockpuppet]

Those late night phone in shows on ITV are the most blatant and cynical money making scams I have ever witnessed.

Really?

3. Why does Cash Call use a premium rate telephone number?

The premium rate telephone network can handle a large number of simultaneous calls, meaning our callers are less likely to get an engaged tone.

Premium rate calls are diverted off the ordinary telephone network so they cannot disrupt emergency service (999) calls - even when there are high numbers of calls being made.This is essential to protect the public.

· Premium rate calls cost the same to all callers regardless of where they have dialled from, so avoiding any regional discrimination that would be inherent in using, say, a London telephone number.

· Callers stand an equal chance of their call getting through regardless from where they have dialled. This is not true for all types of telephone numbers but it is for premium rate numbers.

· Sophisticated equipment and systems on the premium rate network allow Cash Call to provide real-time and complex listener interaction. While the Cash Call service is simple for callers to use, behind the scenes these sophisticated systems are essential and without them Cash Call would just not be possible.

Where do they mention that they get lots of money from you dialing!!!!!!!!!!!

[DodgyAgent]

Welfare state and state ownership of broadcasting media are different things. Use terminology properly and then we may see whether you have an argument.

they amount to very much the same thing. welfare is about the state ownership of the private individual and "state ownership" refers to collectivist entities such as the BBC, NHS. They are all interwoven with one another with a single ambition to bring more and more people and services under their control.

at least with other broadcasting organisations we can turn em off if do not like them AND refuse to pay for them.

[Old Greg]

they amount to very much the same thing. welfare is about the state ownership of the private individual and "state ownership" refers to collectivist entities such as the BBC, NHS. They are all interwoven with one another with a single ambition to bring more and more people and services under their control.

at least with other broadcasting organisations we can turn em off if do not like them AND refuse to pay for them.

Dodgy, got to disagree. The delivery of benefits, healthcare, pensions, legal aid (i.e. welfare state) to individuals by the state is different and separate from state owned broadcasting. They can exist independently of each other. They may stem from similar or the same political philosophies, but that doesn't make them the same.

Your statemtn that welfare is the state ownership of the individual is bizarre. In what sense does the state 'own' anyone. Are they slaves or serfs? You can make an argument that their personal responsibility is diminished by welfare but that's not the same as ownership. You also seem to link welfare and the BBC through state ownership (of the NHS and the BBC), but a mondel of ownership for two different things does not make them the same.

As for the licence fee, I don't agree with it either, but the funding model does not make it welfare.

[DodgyAgent]

Dodgy, got to disagree. The delivery of benefits, healthcare, pensions, legal aid (i.e. welfare state) to individuals by the state is different and separate from state owned broadcasting. They can exist independently of each other. They may stem from similar or the same political philosophies, but that doesn't make them the same.

Your statemtn that welfare is the state ownership of the individual is bizarre. In what sense does the state 'own' anyone. Are they slaves or serfs? You can make an argument that their personal responsibility is diminished by welfare but that's not the same as ownership. You also seem to link welfare and the BBC through state ownership (of the NHS and the BBC), but a mondel of ownership for two different things does not make them the same.

As for the licence fee, I don't agree with it either, but the funding model does not make it welfare.

The welfare recipient is entirely dependent upon the patronage of the state. The individual does not have any responsibility other than to its paymaster. Through welfare the state ensures that the recipient is not given enough to enable them to break away on their own and become independent. In addition the state captures all those individuals who work in administering the states services, effectively also making them welfare dependents.

The BBC has a double power base. It firstly enjoys its own independent power by virtue of its control of its own powerful propoganda machine. Secondly it enjoys the patronage of the state. It can therefore occasionally put two fingers up at the government (which is not necessarily a bad thing).

Although the BBC does try reasonably hard to be as impartial as possible it is too much at odds with other forces to not pursue its own agenda.

Yes the BBC does produce some very good programmes, but because we are forced to pay for it then it should be held to greater account than a private broadcaster from who we can voluntarily switch off.

[Sockpuppet]

Sigh... I'm going to become rich and famous after I invent a device that allows you to stab people in the face over the internet

bash.org anyone?