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[TestMangler]

WTF have devs got to do with a production systems outage?

who lets devs anywhere NEAR a production system?

RBS seem to Have you tested it ? Oh Yes ! OK, deploy to production yourself then, save all that faffing about with release notes and backups.

[WTFH]

WTF have devs got to do with a production systems outage?

who lets devs anywhere NEAR a production system?

It will be poorly tested code promoted up at the insistence of project managers who are on a bonus if they get it in by a particular date/cost.

How many corners can be cut to make sure they hit their deadline/budget.

[original PM]

It will be poorly tested code promoted up at the insistence of project managers who are on a bonus if they get it in by a particular date/cost.

How many corners can be cut to make sure they hit their purely made up and only there to please some director somewhere deadline/budget.

ftfy

[BR14]

RBS seem to Have you tested it ? Oh Yes ! OK, deploy to production yourself then, save all that faffing about with release notes and backups.

They must have changed a lot since i was last there then.
I've seen people lose the will to live trying to get a change approved there

Mind you, that wasn't applications, more infrastructure.

[darmstadt]

Commerzbank is fine, never had an outage in fact

[TestMangler]

They must have changed a lot since i was last there then.
I've seen people lose the will to live trying to get a change approved there

Mind you, that wasn't applications, more infrastructure.

Depends when you were there. I was there in '99 and it was as you describe.

They made us bring in a team of site engineers and spend six months training them to plug in new branch servers and branch clients, which were then handed over to my team for config/commissioning remotely. It's quite difficult to fill six months showing someone how to take a server out of a box and plug it in, stick the network cable in and switch it on. Weekly meetings with branch execs to give presentations on how the 'training' was going......now I think they just slap any old sh1t into prod.

[vetran]

I’m furious. It was only this morning that I set up my new company /DROP TABLE Current Accounts

let me guess your name is "Little Bobby Tables"?

https://xkcd.com/327/

[BR14]

Depends when you were there. I was there in '99 and it was as you describe.

They made us bring in a team of site engineers and spend six months training them to plug in new branch servers and branch clients, which were then handed over to my team for config/commissioning remotely. It's quite difficult to fill six months showing someone how to take a server out of a box and plug it in, stick the network cable in and switch it on. Weekly meetings with branch execs to give presentations on how the 'training' was going......now I think they just slap any old sh1t into prod.

ah, - i was on the mainframe side.

[cosmic]

WTF have devs got to do with a production systems outage?

who lets devs anywhere NEAR a production system?

Clearly not a developer. Been to plenty of companies where management ignore processes due to silly time scales.

Also some places only allow devs on production where some don't. In the SharePoint world it's the devs how deploy to live (mostly) due to complex applications and if anything were to go wrong they could easily fix it rather than getting some support guy from admin in Poland or India to figure what on earth is going on.

Also when you have massive layoffs like the banks have been doing you only have a small team and most are in India or Poland. I'm supprised most know how to get changed in the morning. Plenty of times I have witnessed them messing around on production servers not following the deployment guides the dev team have laid out running code they shouldn't be and deleting things they have no idea about hence why a lot of places are now allowing devs to deploy to live to mitigate that risk. Obviously still needs documentation / testing and approval / admin overlooking live deployment.

[Hobosapien]

who lets devs anywhere NEAR a production system?

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