Do you share JC's values?

[DodgyAgent]

I'll start you off

Asked if he was less critical of IRA violence than British military action, Mr Corbyn said:

So he automatically equates IRA violence of equal justification as the defence of the UK by the armed forces? Both sides are of equal status in terms of justification and morality?

 

[Jog On]

So he automatically equates IRA violence of equal justification as the defence of the UK by the armed forces? Both sides are of equal status in terms of justification and morality?

The violence was wrong on all sides

Does that fit in the box? Chop it and change it a bit if it doesn't

 

[vetran]

I'll start you off

Asked if he was less critical of IRA violence than British military action, Mr Corbyn said:

"The violence was wrong on all sides and I have said so all along. My whole point was if we are to bring about a peace process, you weren't going to achieve it by military means."

Using violence for political means is wrong, defending the public & public order isn't.

So for Corbyn's utterance to make sense the British Army must have started the violence?

Of course it didn't, the IRA & other terrorist organisations did. The fact that the spineless B'Liar brought them into parliament does not negate their guilt.

If the SNP start blowing up shops I expect the army & police to deal with them as the criminals they would be. All the time they use the political process then I'm bound to listen to them.

As the IRA have allegedly turned to political methods and renounced violence then it seems reasonable to listen to them. Forgiving them for blowing up grannies & babies or shooting off kneecaps seems a bit much. Insulting the brave people that contained them by equating them to this scum is beyond reasonable.

Its simple enough, Corbyn doesn't get it. If he can't grasp that he is a waste of space.

 

[stek]

IRA were bad people but lets not sugar-coat stuff, the British Army were guilty of numerous disgraceful acts both during the Troubles and before it under occupation.

 

[DodgyAgent]

IRA were bad people but lets not sugar-coat stuff, the British Army were guilty of numerous disgraceful acts both during the Troubles and before it under occupation.

So equally culpable are they?

 

[stek]

So equally culpable are they?

In a way yes, both sides have got away with murder - literally......

 

[LondonManc]

That's true but most people don't do the former - other than the merest token, and the latter isn't what he seems to be suggesting.

In fact your ugly hate-filled turn of phrase supports my argument - that sentiment that the poor and unemployed are to be attacked is contrary to the idea that people care about each other. They'd rather find a reason why caring is not appropriate.

Rock'n'dole is hate-filled?

You really are a drama queen.

I've seen a friend struggle on benefits due to a bad leg break making him unable to work. He's struggled for a couple of years and is slowly getting back up and running with a 20hour+flexible extra hours contract but would love a proper 35 hour a week contract.

On the other side of the coin, I know someone who takes the mickey and hasn't done a days work since he was 16. Plays the system, has better stuff than the friend mentioned above and I genuinely empathise with my friend because I remember being on a low wage initially and struggling, wondering why you're bothering when others are getting everything handed to them.

So, no, it's not hate-filled at all. Now toddle off and form a quango.

 

[Jog On]

So equally culpable are they?

No of course not, the IRA are the evil terrorist enemy and the army are the valiant defenders of freedom, truth, justice and all that's good.

Which is why Corbyn's stance on supporting dialogue with people like this as opposed to the Hiroshima/Nagasaki approach is both reprehensible and abhorrent.

Therefore he is not fit to hold office, is not to be trusted anywhere near any military intelligence and can never be taken seriously by the electorate.

Which means this is all just a flash in the pan 'phase' the plebs are going through with their support and this whole dreadful business will be over soon.

So let's all just forget this repugnant little man and celebrate over a game of soggy biscuit shall we?

 

[DodgyAgent]

In a way yes, both sides have got away with murder - literally......

Good so now we understand. Presumably then the same applies to WW2 after all we declared war on germany and we killed lots of Germans (including citizens). The UK had no just cause to fight the IRA just as it had no just cause to kill German soldiers or bomb German cities?

 

[vetran]

Good so now we understand. Presumably then the same applies to WW2 after all we declared war on germany and we killed lots of Germans (including citizens). The UK had no just cause to fight the IRA just as it had no just cause to kill German soldiers or bomb German cities?

you are starting to understand now.

lets plant leafy avenues so the attackers can march through London in the shade.